You are there again, spoiling all these idiots fantasy's. They've all nearly convinced themselves they are right and you keep going ruining it.

Psst he didn't spend 'Most' of the game hiding.
I would have thought you would have know that but I guess not.

I'd have to agree he went hiding to agree with that.

But we can agree that the incident was in the second half right?

Get yourself involved in a tackle late in the tackle count, and stay at marker

you're doing really well in this thread.

It doesn't matter, whether it was the first or the 79th minute. According to the numbers we see, he just can't be accused of hiding.

He properly left on 65 mins mark so didn't see him hiding

Are you serious? Both Lockyer and Johns on occasion behaved in a petulant fashion .

I can not recall Lockyer ever being petulant on the field, cant really remember Johns either.
Can you recall any particular occasion?

Tomkins carries on like a kn0b in nearly every play he is involved in.

Ask Ben Kennedy about Johns.

Thurston certainly has a pelulant side.
Wally Lewis appeared to be completely unhinged at times.
At Saints, Goulding was a great scrum half but would get dragged into trouble too easily.

Sam's a bit of a , so what. Its highlighted because he's a star player, so people pay more attention to what he's up to, but that doesn't mean that people only mention it because they're jealous.

Sam has a lot of negetive things around his rugby persona, but at the same time its tied up with that scrappy, competetive nature that helps make him such an exciting prospect.
I for one wish Tomkins's contemporary at Saints had half his commitment and resolution, instead of of light weight, biscuit boned, tin-man hearted, moneygrabbing premadonna.

Thank you

I haven't seen Ben around at my local lately what should I be asking him if I see him?

Nice kick through for his try last night.

Regarding his "cheating", I'm pretty sure I twice heard silverwood dismiss his claims for a hoding down penatly last night, once with "Don't trap the arm, Sam." and "That's your fault.".

Exactly. I've said this all along - it's up to refs to spot these tricks and not be scared to dismiss them. Nothing wrong with a ref doing what Silverwood did last night - Sam only continues to try these tricks because he's been getting away with them. Referee smart and he'll soon stop.

If that's the case then ST should have been penalised, he'll soon stop

I don't think full back the best place for him. It makes use of his obvious talent of running the ball, but I don't think he'll develop into the ball handler he could be if he stays there.
He's got the potential to be a really good 6, I think, but I worry that playing him at 1 will turn him into a bit of a 1 tricky pony, almost.
No skin off my nose, being a Saints fan, but I'm just thinking with my England hat on.

You'll just ruin the game by filling it with penalties, ST is penalising himself by inadvertantly slowing the PTB dawn, he's also making it less likely for him to win a penalty if/when he ever is actually impeded.

Only fill games with penaltys where ST is playing either he'll stop or the coach will stop hom for putting his team under pressure

There needs to be a consequence for cheating to stop

But if he doesn't get a penalty, he IS putting his team under pressure by allowing the defence extra time to reset while he carries out his theatrics.

See what you mean, can't help thinking if it carries on a sterner punishment is needed... Just like diving in soccer

Sam is already a great player. He was fantastic in the GF last year at the ripe old age of 20 and imo was the lynch pin in Wigans success over the entire season. When you have a player like this, they inspire confidence in the rest of the team and bring out their best, this is what Sam does. My knowledge isn't just based on the last 2 years but on the last 8 years and it was as obvious then as it is now that he's a real true talent.

I accept that supporters of any team he plays against will dislike him, because he's so good but I object when he's called a rat and a coward

I think we sometimes overuse the word great.

IMHO he is a good player with bags of potential but not [igreat[/i yet.

I don't think he can be called great until he can do it against the Aussies and NZ on a regular basis.