It really is embarrassing all these so called expansionist fans on here should hang their heads in shame and apologise on this forum but I bet they'll will crawl under the nearest stone and disappear.

It's sad times for the players as for rimmer he should hand his notice in

Quote ="Steph Curry"Toronto will be here next season, even stronger. Sorry to burst all the flat cappers bubble and Leigh’s fans hopes of promotion but it’s true. Their season ticket waiting list is even longer than last season and they have 2 unbelievable signings about to be announced for next season. All is good in Toronto. Sorry.'" Your now showing your true colours whoever you are...... https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/ ... isa-553387 I was just waiting for your/Jean's post to hang this onto Please close the door after yourself........

Quote ="Steph Curry"Toronto will be here next season, even stronger. Sorry to burst all the flat cappers bubble and Leigh’s fans hopes of promotion but it’s true. Their season ticket waiting list is even longer than last season and they have 2 unbelievable signings about to be announced for next season. All is good in Toronto. Sorry.'" Your now showing your true colours whoever you are...... https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/ ... isa-553387 I was just waiting for your/Jean's post to hang this onto Please close the door after yourself........

Les Catalans were promoted by committee, so were Celtic Crusaders. We could perhaps disagree less if you checked out the history books...

Wouldn't surprise me at all if that journalist is an anonymous poster on this forum.

Shall the forum be expecting the same courtesy from you and others when Toronto are still in super league this time next year?

Quote ="The Silent H"Shall the forum be expecting the same courtesy from you and others when Toronto are still in super league this time next year?'" Remind me next year and I'll consider it but until then by all means take it on the chin laddy as this proves what a shower they are https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/ ... YnmXg3ols0

Quote ="The Silent H"Shall the forum be expecting the same courtesy from you and others when Toronto are still in super league this time next year?'" Remind me next year and I'll consider it but until then by all means take it on the chin laddy as this proves what a shower they are https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/ ... YnmXg3ols0

Quote ="snowie"Remind me next year and I'll consider it but until then by all means take it on the chin laddy as this proves what a shower they are https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/ ... YnmXg3ols0'" Someone posted whether here or on the other site, that they were surprised Liam Kaye was "allowed to leave". Well if they aren't paying the players properly that's a breach of contract so Kaye has every right to go. As for the rest of them, they must now be talking to their agents about the future. I dunno what talks took place between Lenegan and Argyles lawyers and what the lawyers say the position is, but Argyle is probably stuck with seeing out the season with TWP playing here. If Argyle wants to be a Director at Melbourne Storm then he has to behave as a Director at Toronto Wolfpack, and keep what integrity he has left intact. Imagine an owner who begrudges paying players and a coach, all whom may be left high and dry for a contract for next year as belts tighten, having to find the enthusiasm and drive to see out a bunch of meaningless fixtures, with a depleted squad. Probably best to keep them off the TV.

Quote ="snowie"Remind me next year and I'll consider it but until then by all means take it on the chin laddy as this proves what a shower they are https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/ ... YnmXg3ols0'" Someone posted whether here or on the other site, that they were surprised Liam Kaye was "allowed to leave". Well if they aren't paying the players properly that's a breach of contract so Kaye has every right to go. As for the rest of them, they must now be talking to their agents about the future. I dunno what talks took place between Lenegan and Argyles lawyers and what the lawyers say the position is, but Argyle is probably stuck with seeing out the season with TWP playing here. If Argyle wants to be a Director at Melbourne Storm then he has to behave as a Director at Toronto Wolfpack, and keep what integrity he has left intact. Imagine an owner who begrudges paying players and a coach, all whom may be left high and dry for a contract for next year as belts tighten, having to find the enthusiasm and drive to see out a bunch of meaningless fixtures, with a depleted squad. Probably best to keep them off the TV.

This is a rugby league forum . you won't get away with your social liberal identity politics e here.Piss off to twitter you race baiting vertue signallying .

And as above your right to question what the TWP team will look like and play like. but I do feel again as above, Argyle will have to pay contracts up and in return the professional players will have to go out and do their best. Otherwise Argyle may not be seen fit enough to go join an Aussie club, and the players not be seen as professional enough to deserve a contract elsewhere.

Over on the other site there was an interesting tale about a dad and his lad who were involved in TWP's player trials here. Their view of the whole thing was it was just a PR stunt, both the Brighouse thing here and the Grid Iron trials that quickly were dropped there. Posters note that every time this was brought up a contingent of pro-Canadians would shout them down saying "That's not how we do things in Canada and Canadians don't care where the players come from". In the exchanges I was reminded of how post these trials Perez was challenged on the lack of player development and he said that TWP were looking at China as an untapped resource for suitable "Athletes". You couldn't make it up but Perez did.

The most telling tale was an Article in the RL press either League Weekly or League Express by Bob Jowett? The boss of Canada RL whom got a stall at a TWP game to promote Canada RL and sell memberships to boost the funds. He saw Argyle amongst the other stands cheerily saying hello at half time and Jowett hoped that Argyle would pop over and buy a membership. Argyle just breezed past without a word or a dollar to spare.................He and Perez never had any intention of developing players....

Why would Lenagan meet with lawyers acting for a multi-millionaire in a foreign country?

Why would a club owner want to be a director at another club?

Why have you drawn the conclusion that Argyle 'begrudges' paying players and a coach?

Are you not aware that the CEO had problems paying bills that Dr Koukash was unaware were NOT being paid? Are you not aware that the same CEO resides along the M62 corridor? Are you not aware that the Government presides over an infrastructure that I despair at,that has caused problems over visas,that has allegedly made it difficult for overseas people to launder money in the UK by bringing in a system that will miss out on criminals, and only impact on the decent people?

It is you that glories in continually stating that M62 players play abroad in Canada.Those same M62 players seem to be having problems getting money into their bank accounts. [url=https://www.keycurrency.co.uk/transfer-money-from-uk-to-canadaThis Relates To Money From UK To Canada - It Will Certainly Be Far Worse The Other Way[/url

A British banking problem is not the fault of Toronto Wolfpack.

So it's the British banking systems fault now?
I shall set up an ice hockey team based in Doncaster and apply for the NHL Fill it with jobbers and one or 2 Ex NHL stars and then not pay them and blame everyone but my own bizarre business model. Any journalists reporting negative news are hacks and any fans voicing doubt about s uch a ridiculous venture are casual racists.
It's all ok though because we give away free tickets and have some beer tents.
I've read both threads on here and trl and whilst firmly in get rid camp there is no good way this can end for RL and Toronto did indeed follow the path RFL set them so for me it's yet another RFL calamity.

Some fair points.

However, I think it is worth flagging that the city of Toronto has a population of 2.7 million, and the greater metropolitan area has 6.4 million. Doncaster has 109,000. The NHL salary cap US$81.5 million. So there are some big differences. Maybe talk of an NFL franchise in London would be a better comparison?

TWP’s squad got them promoted to SL in pretty decent time. In terms of quality, if not depth, it reasonably good for a newly promoted team. With these latest rumours, I’m a bit more confident that we (Hull KR) can avoid bottom spot but I was deeply worried before the fixtures were suspended and I’ll still be a bit nervous if relegation remains in place.

The logistics of playing in Canada were always going to be challenging - although it has largely worked until now and this unprecedented-in-modern-times health crisis. If they collapse in a financial heap through mismanagement or over-reliance on one benefactor, that’ll be a far from unique event in the sport’s history. A big second wave of COVID-19 and SL might collapse before they do. The whole of the sport... the whole of society is in a very uncertain place (obviously).

As I've said before, can RL please be realistic, do things close to properly. Got to build from the bottom up in this country, if Murdoch wants to spend millions in Melbourne to build a RL club, fine, but there was an opportunity there to make RL no.2 or equal no.2 with soccer, but Melbourne is slightly different as som call it the sporting capital of the World. So there is pressure on the people of the area to turn up to sporting events.

Its a lot more than "rumours" mate, it's full on journalists reporting real events. There's to be no P & R and the £500K parachute payment is going to assist the Championship. If TWP come bottom they aren't going to be given £500K and nor are Rovers. Your two "If's are with respect not quite right, it's impossible for TWP to collapse in a financial heap or be over reliant on a benefactor.....

Their owner is a $Billionaire and so is worth at least 100 $Million if not multiples of that with more money flowing in from his Mining interests. Argyle is around 58 years old so he can fund TWP for the rest of his life easily. The problem is he and his phoney club isn't wanted and he knows that so he's been looking to buy into Melbourne - a far bigger money eating machine than TWP.

One of the needs for SL to act is Neil Hudgell. He and Crossland fund HKR and they aren't 100% committed - shown by them trying to sell the club to Tony Larvin some years back. Hudgell was furious when the crazy league system he and a number of SL bosses never wanted relegated them when they didn't come bottom and the SL clubs knew this an even looked at going to a 13 club Superleague to keep them in. That didn't work.

But they aren't going down this season, so they can maybe relax in one sense, but in another sense it would be embarrasing if they didn't finish above Toronto who are playing out their days....

As TWP head for oblivion certainly on the issue of not bothering to develop players "bottom up" which was likely because the owner was too rich and probably too old to see the fruits of any such endeavour being decades off, they were also guilty of providing no paying TV deal.

Dead easy to look up Perez's promise to Dave Woods on you tube of developing players pretty quickly, but that also came with the idea of NA sports TV snapping them up on a big deal. That never happened and so Perez was actually finally challenged on it in year two. His excuse was that TWP could not get a paying TV deal on their own, there had to be 5-6 North American clubs in Superleague to provide the content for Americans to watch in any great number.

Of course that needed TWP replacing London, but also Ottawa replacing Wakefield, and New York replacing Castleford, and Vancouver replacing HKR and Montreal replacing another English club etc.

Whenever asked how the game could survive here relegating six SL clubs and closing their academies and disenfranchising their fan bases there was no answer from anyone who were happy to be called "Expansionists" and who were happy to call others flat cappers

Over on the other forum they are still bleating on in number about what a fantastic opportunity is being missed

It's funny you say that as I was thinking similarly earlier.
Would be typical HKR if we line up against a weakened Toronto side that had had a week's training and then go and lose that first game.
Crossland has cashed his chips and Hudge takes sole brunt of the huge profits we generate. We played by the rules when franchising was in and invested heavily in the ground etc probably at expense of the on field product whilst 1 or 2 clubs blatantly flouted the rules and unveiled plans of magical stadiums each season whilst spending nowt apart from playing roster and bare minimum on upkeep of unfit stadia. We then reintroduce P&R and like you say get relegated via a comedy of balls ups many self inflicted but essentially went down without finishing bottom so im not surprised Hudge is cheesed off? Throw in the Stobart debacle,Gateshead, Crusaders,Bulls( plus many near misses including ourselves)and now TWP and it's a steady stream of incompetence by the ruling body.and the people deemed fit to run clubs

Well Blake Solly high-tailed it back to Oz and was followed by Wood, whilst Superleague set about taking control of the game from the RFL. Rimmers last major act IIRC was providing a fanfare of publicity for the upcoming Ottawa and New York "clubs" just the other month (March?). We await statements from their owners (whom of course remain a mystery, as nobody claiming to own or bankroll these clubs has ever been heard of let alone turned up in person at the launches

) on their thoughts on the demise of TWP their "role model".

I just think it's a great time for Dave Woods to Interview Eric Perez once again and start with "[iwell Eric your five years into your plan for RL in North America - how's it going"[/i



Anyone seen or heard from the great man?

Fake News... Toronto are in rude health

The rent is neither here nor there. Entirely affordable I'm sure. We left Odsal because on top of the rent we also had to pay all maintenance of the ground which is rumoured to be 300k per annum. It doesn't feel like we can win. We stick at Odsal and go bust again because it's unaffordable, or we get berated for leaving and remaining solvent for a change.

I seem to recall the last major act by Mr Rimmer was his dealing(s) with the government which resulted in rugby league being the first sport to gain some money in the form of a £16 million(s) loan - for which it seems the UK based owners of Super League clubs were mightily relieved.

Could you provide a link,perhaps,where he provided a fanfare for New York? ( My information seems different from yours - for a change )

Donnyman has never provided a link ever. The only reason he is tolerated is because people reply to him which causes traffic for the website which keeps it in business. In an age of social media, no one really care about forums anymore. They only banned Jean because they had someone else that could generate traffic for a dying website.....Donnyman

Quote ="Steph Curry"Donnyman has never provided a link ever.'" You have me there so here is my very first ever link ..... https://www.thestar.com/sports/2019/01/ ... oronto-wol Enjoy all the phoney baloney about big Canadian companies who were on board at TWP with big investments, and were selling masses of Wolfpack branded products across the globe. I trust you made some purchases? Meanwhile on the other board there's a concerted effort to justify TWP that lacks just two things, there's nothing said at all about the club not bothering to develop players which Perez said they would do and nothing about the club not getting NATV money which Perez said they would get........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIlV68mYc4 My second ever link

Quote ="Steph Curry"Donnyman has never provided a link ever.'" You have me there so here is my very first ever link ..... https://www.thestar.com/sports/2019/01/ ... oronto-wol Enjoy all the phoney baloney about big Canadian companies who were on board at TWP with big investments, and were selling masses of Wolfpack branded products across the globe. I trust you made some purchases? Meanwhile on the other board there's a concerted effort to justify TWP that lacks just two things, there's nothing said at all about the club not bothering to develop players which Perez said they would do and nothing about the club not getting NATV money which Perez said they would get........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIlV68mYc4 My second ever link