I think we (leeds) are in a hole, but, I don’t think tonights game will mean anything regarding the middle 8s, it was a dead rubber with Leefs focus being on next Sunday, Leeds didn’t field a full side tonight, having said that there is a big problem to fix at leeds and im not sure its all down to not having players that are good enough, the tam is not that dis similar to the team that came 2nd and won the Grand Final last year, I think theres something mentally within the club that’s not right, we have lost 4 games against top sides by a point, its as if they don’t believe they can win and that is something that could not be levelled at Rhinos’s sides over the lst 15 years, it will take a frw years to tebuild that and I think Sinfield is the right man to over see that change, I just hope they’ve got enough in them to see the middle 8s out, I don’t care how they do it but they need to finish in the top 3 of the split.

My big worry is if we pull out a big performance next week and make the final that could actually be a massive distraction in the middle 8s, which should be our focus.

I don't think you should flatter yourself too much. I know sky like to go on about Leeds and Hull's injury list but rarely mention a side like us struggling to put 17 out (based not only on our injury list but the fact we don't actually have many players) We are so short of players we borrow kids from Wigan and our coaching staff have to fill in for the lack of bodies during training.

Maybe it was a dead rubber for you hell maybe it even was for us, but bear in mind whilst you've beaten Widnes in what 11 games, you got soundly beaten by a team low on everything including 12 men for most of the game and debutant (JH) who lasted around 20 mins .

Rhinos could potentially drop to the Championship. Might be a good thing considering Hetherington doesn't share the Super League vision.
Maybe it is time for a PL style breakaway. Let SL control it's own league, the RFL the rest with it's own TV deal....

Probably one of the few points I agree with you on.

I actually can't argue with that

Leeds have form in pre CC Semi and Final games. 2014 we were the only team to lose to London that year when we played them the week before Wembley.

Also point out that we play Salford at home in the middle 8’s and the score line was 20-0 earlier in the year.

Irrelevant that, you sound worried to me

Very true, don't read anything into last night Leeds will be at it next week and will likely perform to a level they have rarely reached all season. I personally don't think it will be enough on the day as Wire are a good team and also capable of lifting a level which i think they will and edge us out.

I agree it's possible but you must be concerned, we had 12 men for 60 mins and debutant Jackson Hastings did his magic in the first 20 and never came back on.

However I'm not quite sure that this particular Leeds side have it in them to have a pre cup semi day off, and if Wire click i think will destroy Leeds however it's in our interest that Leeds win. (ALL 7 SIDES)

Well as you allued to at the end, the difference in getting to Wembley or not could be massive. If we don't I think we'll be fine, if we do it could make things tougher in the 8's but that also depends what two fixtures take place either side of Wembley. Could be against two Championship teams or could be against Salford and HKR.

I agree I'm not sure if this Leeds side have it in them and it might well go to form next week with a Warrington win (possibly quite comfortably) but don't think many would be surprised if we turned in a performance next week.

We are in a strange situation really. I.d never not want to win a SF and I do hope we do, but if we lost it wouldn't be the worst thing and maybe a blessing.

How much would a SL TV deal get discounted for not having its best rated club in there though?

Some worried Leeds fans on here atm, squeaky bum time. I can just see it now, Wolfpack beat Rhinos in MPG thriller.

Go on then, Biff. After today's shenanigans across The Pond, Leythe will accept your kind offer. Thank-you.

Is this a poll on who you think will be relegated or who you want?

Obviously I would like Leeds to go down, just for the pure comedy value.

But back in the real world, I don't see any of the current S.L. teams going down.

Which one will play in the car crash game, hmmmmm, decisions, decisions.....

I would have gone for Widnes, but as they have such a lovely ground, their feelings of grandeur should see them through, after all, teams play better in the knowledge their fans are watching in plastic seats - apparently.

No, sod it, despite them playing in R.L's Gondolin - Widnes v Toronto for the m.p.g.

London are about to overtake Toulouse on points difference and finish 2nd

Means Leeds and Salford face both Toronto & Toulouse at home whilst HKR and Widnes have to travel away to both Canada and France.

Even though they have the poorest squad bar Salford and Widnes, I really can’t see Leeds getting relegated

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King James

I thought that about us two years ago. Leeds are MPG fodder at the moment.

I suspect Leeds will be given a Home and Awaty fixture first, bit against the Likes of London and Fax......confidence boosting wins. Leeds getting relegated would decimate the SL next year in terms of crowds.......more fans than Widnes, Wakey and Salford combined.

Worse than Salford.

Seen as though the RFL want the likes of Toronto and Toulouse etc its not about away crowds

your kidding yourself if you think in any reality the super league RFl our partners at Sky would be happy to have any side in the Super league above Leeds, you might all have a good laff but it would be a disaster for the game if Leeds went down, the game is not big enough for its best supported highest turnover club to not be in the top league, cue every little ref decision that goes Leeds way in middle 8's to be a conspiracy theory to keep them up.

Leeds will be far to good in middle 8's and everyone knows it, they may loses 1-2 games but wont be anywhere near million pond game.

Hull KR and Salford are currently head and shoulders above Leeds in terms of the players they can put out on the field going into the middle 8`s, Salford beat you easily on Friday night.

Widnes have been dire but have signed a fair few in the last few weeks that will strengthen them going into the 8`s, the signing of Finn will especially give them some direction which they have so desperately missed throughout this season.

I don`t think there will be any change IMO, but I don`t think Leeds will be `far too good`at all, i don`t think it will be as clear cut and dry as you seem to think... I expect KR or Salford to finish top of the bunch and Leeds to sit around 3rd but there is every chance they could get dragged into the million pound game.

No chance, for me, of Leeds being anywhere near the MPG. Forget the form over the season, as a club they always seem to be able to step it up when it matters. Like others have said Leeds at risk of relegation may be humorous to some people, but it would be disastrous for the sport imo. Widnes currently seem the most vulnerable to me. I expect Leeds and KR to be 1st and second, Salford should scrape into 3rd if they play how they can (my concern over Salford is off the field, not on it).

This is the thing though, in the past they have always had the players to step it up when it matters, they currently do not! They could not even beat us when we were so terribly poor in such a big must win game... They are in a mess currently, yet no one seems to recognize this.

I am not saying they will be in the MPG, I am saying is there is every chance they could be, I don`t buy this there is no danger for them at all.

Go to the Leeds board - I think they recognise it so much, that RLFans have put the Samaritans on a watching brief.