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| Quote ="DGM"A) It wont, and it has never ever been said that North American sides would improve participation in the UK. That responsibility falls at the RFL's door.
B) Supporters don't have some devine right to attend every single away game, they can pick & choose where to spend their money. Following your side isn't & shouldn't be an obligation, but a choice. Why does this stupid away fan argument gets spouted on every single thread when expansion is mentioned?'"
Not really a stupid argument is it when believe It or not there are supporters who like to follow their team every home and away game but may not be able to afford to if said scenario plays out.
What a patronising comment.
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| Oh boo f-cking hoo. Some fans won't be able to attend an away game. Let's stop trying to expand RL world wide cos its upsetting Brian who prefers to use his bus pass to get to away games.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Because one would like to follow their team, but can't afford to do so.'"
They can still attend all their teams home games and 90/95% of away games. Fans not being able to attend 1 or 2 away games is hardly a good argument against it:
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"They can still attend all their teams home games and 90/95% of away games. Fans not being able to attend 1 or 2 away games is hardly a good argument against it:'"
Fair enough, I was speaking what people generally might feel. Time will tell i suppose.
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I can assure you I did - he still owes mea pint!
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| Quote ="Willzay"Not really a stupid argument is it when believe It or not there are supporters who like to follow their team every home and away game but may not be able to afford to if said scenario plays out.
What a patronising comment.'"
So on that basis, you must think football should scrap the Champions League.
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| Quote ="JTB"I can assure you I did - he still owes mea pint!
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Will have to be a pint of Miller Lite now then*
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| Quote ="Cokey"Because one would like to follow their team, but can't afford to do so.'"
Ok, Bob from Leigh can't afford to go to a couple of games out of 30+, so we'll sack off any expansion?
As fans we're already very lucky to have most away games on our doorstep, a couple of hours drive away.
Imagine being an nal fan. No cheap season ticket, 50+ games a year including some horrendous Europa league trips, pre-season tours to Asia, potentially Newcastle away on a Monday night. As fans we already have it so so lucky, not just geographically, but it's relatively cheap too.
The away fan argument is ultimately a lazy one, and is used by anti-expansionists from clubs like Wakefield & Leigh to put expansion down. Fans who want to get there will get there.
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| Quote ="DGM"Ok, Bob from Leigh can't afford to go to a couple of games out of 30+, so we'll sack off any expansion?
As fans we're already very lucky to have most away games on our doorstep, a couple of hours drive away.
Imagine being an nal fan. No cheap season ticket, 50+ games a year including some horrendous Europa league trips, pre-season tours to Asia, potentially Newcastle away on a Monday night. As fans we already have it so so lucky, not just geographically, but it's relatively cheap too.
The away fan argument is ultimately a lazy one, and is used by anti-expansionists from clubs like Wakefield & Leigh to put expansion down. Fans who want to get there will get there.'"
Listen grim reaper, Iv'e already surrendered in an earlier post, and said how generally folk might feel about it, that's all.Why interfere and go on about it?
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Quote ="Cokey"Fair enough, I was speaking what people generally might feel. Time will tell i suppose.'"
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| Quote ="DGM"Ok, Bob from Leigh can't afford to go to a couple of games out of 30+, so we'll sack off any expansion?
As fans we're already very lucky to have most away games on our doorstep, a couple of hours drive away.
Imagine being an nal fan. No cheap season ticket, 50+ games a year including some horrendous Europa league trips, pre-season tours to Asia, potentially Newcastle away on a Monday night. As fans we already have it so so lucky, not just geographically, but it's relatively cheap too.
The away fan argument is ultimately a lazy one, and is used by anti-expansionists from clubs like Wakefield & Leigh to put expansion down. Fans who want to get there will get there.'"
SHUT UP
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"SHUT UP'"
There's a lot of fear in Leigh.
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| Quote ="DGM"There's a lot of fear in Leigh.'"
No there isn't, It's just you again being a total P*****K.
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| Quote ="DGM"There's a lot of fear in Leigh.'"
Not really, it's that your obsession with us bores the t1ts off me.
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| Quote ="Cokey"No there isn't, It's just you again being a total P*****K.'"
The amount of threads on the Leigh board over the past year or so about Perez & TWP says different.
Also, can the Leigh folk try debating without resorting to name calling and telling people to "shut up". Cheers.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"SHUT UP'"
And there we have it. The anti-expansion argument has nothing to do with growing the sport and making it as good as it can be; its about pure self-interest from fans of clubs who fear that their team can't keep up with the pace of change. It's about their team being in the top league, and to hell with how far behind the sport keeps falling as it accommodates that.
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| Quote ="DGM"Ok, Bob from Leigh can't afford to go to a couple of games out of 30+, so we'll sack off any expansion?
As fans we're already very lucky to have most away games on our doorstep, a couple of hours drive away.
Imagine being an nal fan. No cheap season ticket, 50+ games a year including some horrendous Europa league trips, pre-season tours to Asia, potentially Newcastle away on a Monday night. As fans we already have it so so lucky, not just geographically, but it's relatively cheap too.
The away fan argument is ultimately a lazy one, and is used by anti-expansionists from clubs like Wakefield & Leigh to put expansion down. Fans who want to get there will get there.'"
I don't think Cokey was on about a Leigh fan not being able to attend all away games, just any fan in general.
As for Bob, I know him. Great guy, goes to all the games
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"I don't think Cokey was on about a Leigh fan not being able to attend all away games, just any fan in general.
A=#FF0000s for Bob, I know him. Great guy, goes to all the games'"
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"And there we have it. The anti-expansion argument has nothing to do with growing the sport and making it as good as it can be; its about pure self-interest from fans of clubs who fear that their team can't keep up with the pace of change. It's about their team being in the top league, and to hell with how far behind the sport keeps falling as it accommodates that.'"
So as a Leeds United fan, you want football to be 'as good as it can be' !!
Pity we can't invite some La Liga sides into the championship, then you lot would be doomed....
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"I don't think Cokey was on about a Leigh fan not being able to attend all away games, just any fan in general.
As for Bob, I know him. Great guy, goes to all the games'"
I'm sure Bob would relish a trip to the Big Apple.
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| Re: Who do you want to get relegated? Post Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:23 pm
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Leigh. Dreadful club, dreadful fans, won't be missed.
[iCouldn't give a **** about our RFL 'World League' but when this muppet types anything, I latch on to it.[/i
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"So as a Leeds United fan, you want football to be 'as good as it can be' !!
Pity we can't invite some La Liga sides into the championship, then you lot would be doomed....'"
I want to be able to see the best players possible, if that's what you mean. Luckily, English football in its current state can attract quality talent, even at Championship level, and it is commercially successful - you can't say the same about British RL and that is down to the poor commercial performance of the sport and in particular the clubs.
It's easy to paint pro-expansionists as anti-(insert name of small club here) but again, it's just a lazy retort. If Leigh, Widnes or any other club could genuinely market themselves to new audiences and reach the audiences that advertisers, sponsors and broadcasters want to reach, then there would be no issue and no need for expansion. But there is a long track record that suggests that those clubs can't do that, and that's why expansion becomes important.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"I want to be able to see the best players possible, if that's what you mean. Luckily, English football in its current state can attract quality talent, even at Championship level, and it is commercially successful - you can't say the same about British RL and that is down to the poor commercial performance of the sport and in particular the clubs.
It's easy to paint pro-expansionists as anti-(insert name of small club here) but again, it's just a lazy retort. If Leigh, Widnes or any other club could genuinely market themselves to new audiences and reach the audiences that advertisers, sponsors and broadcasters want to reach, then there would be no issue and no need for expansion. But there is a long track record that suggests that those clubs can't do that, and that's why expansion becomes important.'"
Our 'player pool' is only so big, initially where are New York and any other 'global team' going to get their players from ?
p.s. at least you're not annoying as DGM !
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Our 'player pool' is only so big, initially where are New York and any other 'global team' going to get their players from ?
p.s. at least you're not annoying as DGM !
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There are undoubtedly issues with the player pool, and action needs taking at the local level in the UK. One thing that North America does produce is a lot of athletes. If we can, for example, latch onto a small percentage of the talent that leaves NCAA football, then that could make a big difference.
But we also have issues with retention of our current talent, and recruitment of top foreign talent. That's something that really needs us to look at what we can offer players financially, and the experience we offer them. And again, I'm sorry to say I think North America offers more solutions than challenges in that regard. We still, after all, have clubs struggling to pay for a salary cap that hasn't changed since 1998.
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Great retort. You know what he said is right.
Regards
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| If we can tap into even a tiny percentage of the north American market, the benefits will be huge. It'll mean more money into the game through tv and sponsorship, and potentially more athlete's playing the game.
Everyone benefits as more money will filter down to the clubs.
We need more money in the game and we need more profile, bottom line.
It does often tend to be fans of Leigh type clubs that hate these kind of developments because deep down they know there's no future at the top for their p!ss ant little town if you get success in places like new York and toronto.
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