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| Quote ="The Horses Mouth"I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion yesterdays actions were not as bad as the Widnes v Cas game?
Being a Widnes fan I was at the game and, although our collection of numpties went onto the pitch, there was no outbreaks of prolonged violence (mailny due to the restraint of the Cas fans who let our pricks get on with it), just a stupid bit of trying to confront the opposition fans.
Looking at yesterday clips, there fans fighting with their own fans, people being kicked when already down on the floor and the Women's World Windmilling Champion having more hits than Westlife.
Of course it was worse.
As has been said, with the outcome of the game being so massive, it was always a possibility no matter who won, especially with the game being so close. It definitely needs reviewing for next year.'"
For real? yesterday was a group of people estatic at their team coming back from the dead going on the pitch.
Widnes lost v cas, and had known so for some time. They entered the pitch for one reason only, to fight.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Please, Salford barely have a 1000 home fans.'"
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| Quote ="Gadger"For real? yesterday was a group of people estatic at their team coming back from the dead going on the pitch.
Widnes lost v cas, and had known so for some time. They entered the pitch for one reason only, to fight.'"
Watch the video's of both incidents and then tell me which one had the most punches thrown.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Although you are probably right, the trouble had started long before Koucash brought his "cheque" onto the pitch and it had nothing to do with the pitch invasion from the Salford fans.
Bad taste yes but, not the cause, nor the reason for the trouble.'"
You are right, I wasn't suggesting that Koukash bringing out the "cheque" instigated the invasion.
However, it is perhaps indicative of a culture of disrespect that he has created.
Most club chairman/owners in these kind of circumstances would try to de-escalate the situation. Koukash bringing on his "cheque" risked making things worse. It was a stupid thing to plan to do, and an even stupider thing to actually do given what was going on.
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| Quote ="The Horses Mouth"Watch the video's of both incidents and then tell me which one had the most punches thrown.'"
I have. Hull kr.
Our fans ran on estatic, celebrating.
Kr fans ran on to fight
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| Quote ="Gadger"I have. Hull kr.
Our fans ran on estatic, celebrating.
Kr fans ran on to fight'"
There did seem to be some Salford "fans" who went straight over to the Hull KR supporters though and began to taunt them. Fans running on to celebrate would usually celebrate with the players from their team who were mostly gathered at the Salford end. I'm not sure why they saw the need to run past this and head straight for the KR fans if their only intention was to celebrate.
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| Hudgell on Twitter describing hull KR fans as being "dignified". Nothing condemning what happened.
So clearly he'll blame it on a minority and seek to sweep it under the carpet.
If he isnt prepared to face up to reality then the RFL have to throw the book at them.
Empty stadium next year only solution. Id also relegate Salford because their fans are trash too.
We can continue to say it's only a minority or sort out clubs with a clear problem.
It was the championship shield final today at odsal. Thank goodness for our sport that after a fiercely contested showpiece of the British sporting calendar there was no repeat of yesterday's mass disorder.
Hopefully the rest of us decent people can move on and start to repair the damage done to the sport's reputation.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"How many suspended fines have Wakefield had in the last couple of years?
Funny you are defending this sort of disorder when you support a problem club.'"
What you mean the stitch up by a bunch of Bradford liars, then one.
Was I defending it, I don't see where Iam but to a fully paid up member of the permanently offended brigade I can see why you've taken hat line - now jog on you silly little man.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Hudgell on Twitter describing hull KR fans as being "dignified". Nothing condemning what happened.
So clearly he'll blame it on a minority and seek to sweep it under the carpet.
If he isnt prepared to face up to reality then the RFL have to throw the book at them.
Empty stadium next year only solution. Id also relegate Salford because their fans are trash too.
We can continue to say it's only a minority or sort out clubs with a clear problem.
It was the championship shield final today at odsal. Thank goodness for our sport that after a fiercely contested showpiece of the British sporting calendar there was no repeat of yesterday's mass disorder.'"
What an odious obsesive little tell tale toad you really are.
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| Quote ="vastman"What you mean the stitch up by a bunch of Bradford liars, then one.
Was I defending it, I don't see where Iam but to a fully paid up member of the permanently offended brigade I can see why you've taken hat line - now jog on you silly little man.'"
Ha ha ha stitch up job by Bradford liars?!?
Someone recorded it you mug!
You are right it was one though. The first one was enacted so can't be described as suspended.
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| Quote ="vastman"What an odious obsesive little tell tale toad you really are.
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I pray for the children of lupset or aggbrigg or wherever you've infested if you're setting the example.
Condoning violence and racism.
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| Quote ="alleycat"A few years ago, on the final whistle of the Wakey v Cas relegation decider (arguably the original MPG that fuelled SKY's interest in creating a MPG every year), a large number of Wakey fans invaded the pitch and started taunting the losing Cas fans who were gathered at one end of the ground. To their credit, the Cas fans largely did not react (I don't like giving credit to Cas fans because my wife and kids were once subject of violence at a Cas away game; on another occasion I was spat on by them when raising money for a charitable cause; but on this occasion they acted with class and dignity which cannot be ignored!).
However, some 10 mins or so before the end of the game, the stewards gathered at the Cas end of the stadium; within a few minutes of the pitch invasion, the stewards had been joined by a large number of police officers and had formed a line across the width of the pitch in front of the Cas end. They then walked forward in a line and 'pushed' (largely not physically) the Wakey fans back beyond the half-way line. Situation defused.
I suppose the point I am making is that, in such a highly charged game with so much at stake, it had been foreseen that there may be problems and a contingency plan had been drawn up to deal with them. The stewards/police at HKR did not seem to have a co-ordinated plan and approach; hence the problems.'"
I think both sets of fans who were at that match will agree that it was a text book response. The stewards were the proper security ones not kids and the police were the proper riot control ones. In fact it was amazing because I certainly didn't spot them during the match they seem to appear from nowhere.
As you say by contrast the security looked totally inadequate yesterday.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"I pray for the children of lupset or aggbrigg or wherever you've infested if you're setting the example.
Condoning violence and racism.'"
Oh I'm condoning racism now am I every post you make is getting more ludicrous and hysterical - please don't waste your silly little prayers on me.
Oh and I don't live in Agbrigg, it's a bit low rent for my tastes.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"There did seem to be some Salford "fans" who went straight over to the Hull KR supporters though and began to taunt them. Fans running on to celebrate would usually celebrate with the players from their team who were mostly gathered at the Salford end. I'm not sure why they saw the need to run past this and head straight for the KR fans if their only intention was to celebrate.'"
The fans I saw ran straight to our players to celebrate. Then to kr players to commiserate, no gloating it goading
Not saying that didn't happen with some fans, just saying what I have seen
Shame we are discussing this rather than the greatest 2 minutes of rugby I have ever seen. Ok I may be biased
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| Quote ="vastman"Oh I'm condoning racism now am I
every post you make is getting more ludicrous and hysterical - please don't waste your silly little prayers on me.
Oh and I don't live in Agbrigg, it's a bit low rent for my tastes.'"
Well there are Asians in aggbrigg and you made your thoughts on that part of the community quite clear last year.
Hence the suspended fine from RFL.
I've met some really nice people from Wakefield. Councillor Box for example. When - at work- we wanted to build our new cold store at Newmarket he was very helpful. Certainly a lot less small minded than those Wakefield fans offended at us standing in their ground last season.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Hudgell on Twitter describing hull KR fans as being "dignified". Nothing condemning what happened.
So clearly he'll blame it on a minority and seek to sweep it under the carpet.
If he isnt prepared to face up to reality then the RFL have to throw the book at them.
Empty stadium next year only solution. Id also relegate Salford because their fans are trash too.
We can continue to say it's only a minority or sort out clubs with a clear problem.
It was the championship shield final today at odsal. Thank goodness for our sport that after a fiercely contested showpiece of the British sporting calendar there was no repeat of yesterday's mass disorder.
Hopefully the rest of us decent people can move on and start to repair the damage done to the sport's reputation.'"
There was no trouble because no one gives a sh*t about the championship shield. ''Showpiece of the sporting calender'' - you must be trolling.
I always laugh when people go on about incidents like this doing ''damage to the game''. No bugger turns up to games as it is. No bugger want's to sponsor the sport as it is. In the entire 20 years history of super league there's been a handful of crowd incidents that have made headlines. It's not like full on football hooliganism, it doesn't really make much difference either way, the game is small time, and as such the impact of such incidents is small.
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| Quote ="Adamjk"My guess is it's aimed more at winding up the RFL than to goad the opposition. The points deduction this year (and the previous one for the extra player on the pitch) has obviously been a sore point for a lot of Salford fans.'"
Obviously! so rather than accept they did wrong an quietly put it behind them and get on with life they make a show of it!
Pathetic IMO, and just makes the ill feeling towards their owner, their club and their fans even worse.
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| Quote ="Adamjk"Definitely. I couldn't make it to the game unfortunately as I had to be somewhere else but I messaged my mate on Friday predicting there'd be trouble regardless of the result. It should have been one of the first things on people's minds when planning the stewarding/policing arrangements for the game.'"
Which says more about the 2 sets of fans more than anything! why would there or should there be trouble?
There was no talk of trouble last week, but yet a similar scenario, so why this?
Because obviously there are elements of both clubs' support that really can't be trusted to behave an shouldn't be let into a sports ground, sober or not.
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| Quote ="Derek Smalls"My observations (FWIW):
The Salford fans were given 2 blocks of a stand, the rest of which was (partially) occupied by home fans. This meant some Salford fans (myself included) having to sit in the next block along as my ticketed seat was occupied. The rest of the Salford fans were at the opposite end of the ground. If Salford had been given another block (or two) in that stand they would have been easier to steward. As it was, some stewards were at the opposite end of the ground, and there were nowhere near enough at either end. At the final whistle fans are entering the pitch from both ends of the ground, making it harder to prevent. How are tickets allocated when larger travelling support attend?
At the end of 80 minutes there were (I would guess) a couple of hundred fans in front of the Colin Hutton stand, next to the dead ball line, the full width of the pitch, ie from both sets of supporters. If Rovers had won, rest assured their fans were about to invade the pitch and the outcome would have been similar. Why the game was restarted before these fans were told to get back in their seats is beyond me - it was clear what was coming at the end regardless of who actually won.
The Salford fans shouldn't have entered the playing area, but when they did it was to celebrate their victory. What reason would any Hull KR fan have to go on to the pitch, unless it was to confront the celebrating fans? They can say they were 'goaded', but from what I saw (and the videos knocking about back up) they came to the Salford fans before they had even had a chance to get anywhere near the East stand to 'goad', often picking off fans and knocking them to the ground from behind before disappearing back towards the stands.'"
That's what I saw too. Admittedly, only from the TV and YouTube videos. It shows Salford fans running on to the pitch to celebrate.
I have no doubt some Salford idiots will likely have gone over to the Rovers lot and goaded them too, but that's no excuse to come on to the pitch. The thought going through some Rovers fans' heads I imagine was that they'd go on and "put them in their place" when what they really did was embarrass themselves, their club, the city and the sport. What possible other reason could a Rovers fan have had to come on to the pitch?
Celebrating on the field, whilst I don't condone it, isn't exactly a scandal. Fighting on it is.
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| I was in the well very close to the Salford fans in the north stand with roughly 5 minutes to go large numbers of Salford fans started to push towards the pitch you could see the trouble coming.at that point they were fairly consigned to losing it seemed.as we saw the game changed and they understandably went nuts.saw a few push peacock and few other players this is what brought people out of the East stand few minutes of chaos then cops came in hard. Went on around the ground on and off for what seemed like a good while.it was bad.but I believe it would have been much worse if we had of won.there was a bunch of 70/80 salford fans intent on fighting either way.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Well there are Asians in aggbrigg and you made your thoughts on that part of the community quite clear last year.
Hence the suspended fine from RFL.
I've met some really nice people from Wakefield. Councillor Box for example. When - at work- we wanted to build our new cold store at Newmarket he was very helpful. Certainly a lot less small minded than those Wakefield fans offended at us standing in their ground last season.'"
What thoughts were they sunshine, do elaborate (with evidence) - slander is an offence even on the internet.
You're just trolling now - yep of course you've met Box and of course you've something to do with the Cold Store at NM
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| Quote ="vastman"What thoughts were they sunshine, do elaborate (with evidence) - slander is an offence even on the internet.
You're just trolling now - yep of course you've met Box and of course you've something to do with the Cold Store at NM
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Wouldn't it be libel if it's on an Internet message board? It's got to be untrue and it is true that Wakefield fans were hit with a suspended fine following offensive chanting. But please feel free to talk to a solicitor about it.
Nice bloke councilor Box. The cold store is just another example of businesses moving into Wakefield and creating jobs. If you've got a problem with that you're a very strange human being.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"There was no trouble because no one gives a sh*t about the championship shield. ''Showpiece of the sporting calender'' - you must be trolling.
I always laugh when people go on about incidents like this doing ''damage to the game''. No bugger turns up to games as it is. No bugger want's to sponsor the sport as it is. In the entire 20 years history of super league there's been a handful of crowd incidents that have made headlines. It's not like full on football hooliganism, it doesn't really make much difference either way, the game is small time, and as such the impact of such incidents is small.'"
However insignificant it may be personally to you - and essentially a trophy for finishing fifth is not the best piece of silverware I'll freely admit. I'm just glad to have played my part in the first professional rugby league game in the country to take place after yesterday's sickening spectacle going off without incident. Starting the ball rolling in helping to rebuild the sport's reputation.
As for the damage you say it was in the national press today and has now made it onto the daily mail site. It was on sky sports news earlier. Sponsors don't want to be associated with that.
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| Sad to see fans of other clubs desperately filled with false outrage of a bit of a nothing disturbance, hoping for points deduction, record fines, expulsion from the game, playing behind closed doors. Some people must lead very sheltered lives, You see fans goading other sets of fans then cry like babies to stewards send emails to the RFL get their phones out etc post on forums when they get a response, hoping that club gets fine etc. That's the mindset of some of the so called RL family.
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| Quote ="lister"What kind of person kicks someone in the head, or throws lots of punches to someone already down on the ground.'"
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