I agree with this mostly, but I'd far prefer a ****head ban to an alcohol ban. Most folk have a beer, enjoy the game and have a laugh with their mates. Beer doesn't turn decent blokes into ****heads, it turns ****heads into even bigger ****heads.

I have talked about the incident. I've read your post. So I'll ask you again, do you really think the Daily Mail [idoesn't[/i have an agenda?

The problem for me is Salford will most likely be fined for the actions of a few brain dead idiots.

I’m not sure what the travelling club can do if a couple of “supporters” decide to take a flare to an away match, or some decide to drink above their limits & act like divy's

Sure, they can slap bans on the culprits after the event, but whatever kicks off in the ground should be dealt with by the home club.

It’s a sad state of affairs if we have to go down the non-drinking route or even searches before entering grounds, but if needs must.

Yes, then let's complete segregation in the grounds, and next let's have hundreds of police escorting separate sets of fans to and from the ground, in fact let's be football. I so look forward to being treated as an irresponsible and potentially dangerous oaf.

This wasn't caused by drink inside in the ground. I was there and whilst the majority of lads had been drinking during the game (one or two), it would have happened regardless.

It all started by setting a flare off towards the end of the game, once the stewards came in, it was thrown onto the pitch. Once the game finished, a couple from this group managed to get on the pitch and were quickly escorted out of the ground by the stewards. It seemed the rest of the group took exception to this and rushed down to the bottom to confront the stewards. At the same time, a Salford fan had gone over to confront the lad who lit the flare and basically told him to leave that kind of thing at Old Trafford, next minute more pushing and shoving. So at the same time you've got two separate instances of people pushing and shoving whilst the wives and young children of players who had moved down to the bottom of the stand to congratulate their partners/fathers ended up getting caught up in the middle of it. Naturally Carney and Sa'u jumped in to get their families away from the trouble and it resulted in Junior restraining one supporter (I am sure you've seen the picture).

I'm not defending the actions of those involved and I hope that they are identified and banned accordingly, not only for their actions but for bringing the sport of RL into disrepute BUT the media coverage has been the biggest overreaction to an incident I have ever witnessed before in my life. If you have chance to look at the videos and photographs, take out the stewards, players and coaching staff and you're left with 10-15 or so "fans" most of which were trying to get in the middle to calm it down.

I didn't see a single punch thrown, just lots of pushing, shoving and shirt grabbing. It certainly wasn't this mass brawl the national newspapers are trying to portray.

As a temporary measure I'd support an alcohol ban and even security searches as each fan enters the ground for flares/smoke bombs etc

Wigan 'fans' also brought a flare into the Saints game at the weekend. It's always the same kind of kid as well, a right little runt who couldn't hold his own in a high school playground, let alone a mass brawl at a rugby match. Probably the same cretins who started the whole 'ultras' thing.

The Salford thing just seems to be a massive overreaction from everyone. Banning them is useless as it's unenforceable so just fine the club the incident occurred at, it was the Huddersfield security/events management setup that prevented it being sorted quickly.

i have seen the little video footage on the BBC website and i have to agree with you it looks like it has been blown out of proportion from that. Obviously, not nice ever for kids and women to be mixed up anything like that but i have seen far worse at sporting events in the past that hasn't even been mentioned.I guess it wouldn't have been had the players not been involved. Anyway, hopefully they deal with the culprits accordingly and move on.

Jeez mate everone apparantly acts up against Bradford, SL's most over sensative fans.

Seriously, most of it's gossip and quotes from sites like this.

Strikes me as quite a good record forcrowd control for a sport that attracts tens of thousands and has a lot of derbies. I swear some people just loved to be "shocked".

Which would be an overreaction of epic proportions.

Personally, I couldn't care less about having access to alcohol during a game and I struggle to understand those for whom it seems an essential requirement at any public event; but I really don't like the casual erosion of individual freedoms as a knee-jerk response to the actions of a few idiots.

Steward games more effectively - eject idiots at the first signs of idiocy; and if all else fails, get Junior Sau to have a word.

for starters - you can expect at least a £1000 fine for the flare throwing from the RFL :- www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... eford.html

for starters - you can expect at least a £1000 fine for the flare throwing from the RFL :- www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... eford.html

Their agenda is making money . Get over it.

But we've had so many incidents over the past few years that surely the time has come for some drastic measures - if only a temporary basis to see if things will die down. Threatening life bans won't do much good when people rarely own up or identify those involved if they know them.

Only Bradford fans would suggest we have points taken off us.

Its like Salford are the only ones to cause trouble. Does anyone remember the Widnes incident a few years ago in the challenge cup semi final. They ran on the pitch, kicking in sponsorship boards, beating up the mascot and starting fights with Castleford fans. They got fined 20,000

The Club should just get a big fine and hopefully get the people who caused this and move on.

B.T.W Widnes got Club of the year as well so fingers cross it will happen for Salford HAHAHA

The Daily Mail article is rather misleading.

Salford dont get 800 fans attending home games, how would they manage take 800 fans to a place like Huddersfield???

Regards

King James

EVERY SL club has some idiots amongst its supporters and Salford are no exception.
The key is to find the culprits and fine them and try to ban them.
Unfortunately, the reality of banning supporters is extremely difficult especially as a "nationwide" ban which is
impossible to police.

Regarding the alcohol thing, it's a crying shame that a small minority cant control themselves after a few pints
but, this is a society problem and not exclusive to RL.
Not selling drink in the ground would possibly be a good thing but, it punishes the majority because of the actions
of a few idiots. Plus, beer sales are a major income stream for most clubs so, this becomes a lose/lose situation.

A fine and warning about future conduct will be the outcome.

I have just a report from the Batley v Dewsbury game, which sounded much worse than what I witnessed at Huddersfield. Apparently both Batley and Dewsbury fans were fighting amongst themselves in the stands during the game? Odd how this doesn't warrant national media attention, when it sounds like an actual punch was thrown unlike at the Salford v Huddersfield game.

Weird how professional sportsmen holding their own fans to the ground under the implicit threat of ultraviolence in the proximity of professional photographers somehow generates more column inches than Dewsbury fans arguing amongst themselves in a flat-roofed pub . I would imagine it's a conspiracy against Salford.

Don't agree just get rid of the people who caused it why punish the rest of us with fines and point deductions. Moaning Bradford fans cost my club a fortune because a tiny group of peed up youth apparantly sang some mildly racist songs. I'm not defending and why should I, frankly I don't care it wasn't my fault and it wasn't WTRLFC's fault - only in hindsight can we know these people are s. Anyway in the scheme of the things compared to the racist/sectarian genocide being comitted by ISIS, Russia and NATO in the middle east it's nothing. I'm sick of people who just love being offended by almost anything and who seem to want to suffer the abuse by proxy.

So as ever the lowest common denominator wins every time. I don't know how satisfied our over sensitive Bradfordites were at the resultant fine but I can assure you it didn't cost the perpatrators a penny nor I suspect do they care or feel any remorse. It did cost our Chairman Michael Carter who paid some of the bill and it probably cost a yongster the chance to join the first team to make up the rest.

So everyones a winner and the ethnic minorities of Bradford can sleep easy in their beds knowing the a visit to BV will be a joy for them from now on, or at least it would be if they ever went in the first place or where actually bothered in any way by what happened or in fact are even aware of what happened.

Feel free to be outraged.

Just seems to me that RL fans ain't got the hang of this hooliganism lark yet. They fight among themselves rather with the opposition! Actually, I suspect it is more a case of inbreeding and frustration at not getting onto the Jeremy Kyle show despite numerous applications.

PS The Dewsbury incident - was that the one I saw on video were a few women were having a minor set to in a bar? It's a family game girls - you are upsetting the men and boys.

You're not defending it. You're just saying it's someone else's fault entirely. Specifically, you're saying it's the fault of the people it was perpetrated against. They are the cause of the fine.

You are quite right to say these fines do nothing though. Look at you right now, f'rinstance.

Bang on Vasty. The 20 grand fine WTW was harsh but the bar was already set by a dozen morons at my club (Tigers) a couple of years earlier - the Gareth Thomas chant.

Not sure how this has turned into a Bradford bashing thread.

The moaning Bradford fans didn't cost your club the money. It was the idiots doing the racist chanting and chants about the Bradford City fire.

I feel sorry for the genuine wakey fans as you say,it was a minority. But RFL cant be seen just to do nothing.

*fan

And the poster who said you should have points deduction is a well know WUM