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| Strange game and a strange atmosphere.
Fair play to McNamara his subs seemed to work pretty well. Going into next week I would only possibly bring in McGillivray for Burgess. Just to take some of the workload off Hall.
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| Can anyone give me a link to see the highlights.
Unfortunately wasn't live here in Oz.
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| Quote ="DP_wwrlfc"Good start to the series for England. A win whilst nowhere near at their best.
Stand-outs for me where Tom Burgess who had a huge impact off the bench, possibly the best game I've ever seen him play! He morphed into George!
Williams who grew into the game and for a 20 year old halfback stood up well, he took on the line more than most England halves have done over the last 10 years.
Hill, a fantastic prop. Wire are lucky that the NRL haven't come sniffing yet as he would do well over there.
Roby along with T Burgess completely swung the momentum of the game, with his pace from the ruck.
Mention to Ferres as well as the two try's where big moments in the game.
Slightly below par for me ...
Bateman, but not due to his lack of attacking threat more his lack of aggression and mongrel that all Wigan fans have come to love. Against Whare who IMO is the best defensive centre in the game he was always going to struggle to make much of an impression going forward.
Watkins, unlike Bateman was up against a make shift centre who usually plays FB or wing. I was hoping for a little more.
Hardaker, he didn't get himself involved enough. To try and take the FB away from S Tomkins he needs to become more of a threat going forward.
Once the likes of Alex Walmsley, George and Sam Burgess return to that pack it's pretty mouth watering. Particularly the front row.'"
I would say Tomkins needs to learn how to catch and tackle to force his way back in.
The NRL will find you out. It's now obvious Tomkins has lots of big handling and defensive errors in him. He has a big test ahead in 2016.
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| Atmosphere was awful, only time the crowd sang as one was to Sweet Caroline at half time, and embarrassing to see a Mexican wave when the game was at a key juncture, if you are bored by international rugby league I have no words. A band is terrible when it takes away from the atmosphere but if it can bring people together to sing it can really work. Something better needed for next week, day games are usually worse than night ones for atmosphere.
Thought the light show was a good experiment and the anthems and haka were, as always, brilliant. Not sure why England's mascot has been replaced by the world cup mascot, I thought the knight with the full size England logo shield was a great idea. If you want a new one then use both (the laughable girlie bird at the ground appears another rubbish mascot idea too).
England were poor and got lucky with the try off the knee and that the ref spotted the obstruction (see the last NZ game at Headingley for an example of ref's ignoring obstructions) otherwise it could have been all over. I thought our pack was behind the Kiwis at first but was much better with cooper and especially burgess making ground. Our last tackle plays in attacking positions were in the main, very poor and both half-backs were struggling on that front. Most of our game went through forwards in general, Ryan Hall made great ground on early tackle plays but we didn't spread the ball wide to the three quarters enough. Our best play in the four nations last time out was when we played attractive rugby league football, more please. I'd like to see a few personnel changes but this coach doesn't really do that, no real sense in debating it amongst the one eyed club brigade either so I'll just be behind whoever pulls on the shirt as always.
From a perspective of entertainment and seeing more rugby, why did both sides have a rest at every scrum. I don't need to lose 30 seconds of game time ever time there is a knock on or kick to touch, must be sorted for the next game, the game carries on! Let's take the opportunity to show people how fast and uncompromising the game is, this is test football, no time to rest, it should be the highest intensity game of the year!
Massive game next week, biggest audience in terms of TV and in the ground and we need to put on a good show, on and off the field. Can't wait to see England play again, I hate having to wait so long between meaningful internationals, particularly those in this country. Get yourself down to the game and make some noise about it too!
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Can anyone give me a link to see the highlights.
Unfortunately wasn't live here in Oz.'"
Rooster the full match replay is on Fox Sports 2 tonight at 8pm AEDT
I think they probably did the deal to screen the Tests too late to squeeze it on the live schedule just gone. The next two Tests are live.
My thoughts on the game:
Not a great advert for international rugby league in my opinion, one for the purist. Both teams sluggish, maybe partly due to the Hull November evening conditions? Kiwis looked fantastic at the start but wilted. Hope that next weekend we get a faster game.
Agree on Williams, I hope he and Widdop are allowed to form a partnership together. Not sure if I'd make changes to be honest.
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| Hill showing again what Wire fans have been seeing all season, still baffled he didn't make the dream team squad seeing as he carried our whole team last year.
Where is Cudjoe at centre, is he injured? Currie did an admirable job in the centres for Wire this season, another option to look at.
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| Quote ="The Neutral Zone"Hill showing again what Wire fans have been seeing all season, still baffled he didn't make the dream team squad seeing as he carried our whole team last year.
Where is Cudjoe at centre, is he injured? Currie did an admirable job in the centres for Wire this season, another option to look at.'"
Thought Hill was outstanding! He really took it to the Kiwis all night. Especially in the first half when the rest of the team was misfiring
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| Hill had a stormer as usual, very impressed with him in an England shirt yesterday
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| Very very rarely has a game in which he can even remotely be critical of him, the most honest player I've seen in a long time, top pro.
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| The only forward from the starting pack who looked willing to carry the fight to the Kiwis early doors.
Our prop options are mouthwatering over the next few years with him, Graham, Cooper and Tom Burgess to be challenged by George Burgess, Walmsley and hopefully that other Burgess lad (although I expect we'll see him in the back row if he comes back).
Incredible group of props that.
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| Hall made more headway up the middle than even the outstanding Graham, Burgess and Hill. Makes you wonder.
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| Quote ="DropGoalGiant"No stand out players, just a good team effort. would like to see player stats after that, Joe seemed to never have hold of the ball.'"
No stand out players ??
All of the England pack were superb 2nd half and Burgess was immense, he should have got the MoM
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| Felt a bit sorry for England's backs - Hall still wouldn't see the ball from Bateman if we'd still been playing now, every time he got it he looked for someone to run into. Watkins similarly got very little ball in space to use his footwork and strength
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| Part of the tactics was to pound them in every part of the field, Hall played his part in that, and as for "feeling sorry" for Bateman or anyone, I very much doubt they are feeling "sorry" for themselves. They will be on a deserved high of satisfaction in a job well done.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Felt a bit sorry for England's backs - Hall still wouldn't see the ball from Bateman if we'd still been playing now, every time he got it he looked for someone to run into. Watkins similarly got very little ball in space to use his footwork and strength'"
Neither did the NZ backs though. I think that was just the type of game it evolved into.
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| If you had Reed in at centre, moving Bateman and possibly S Burgess to second row, with George Burgess and Walmsley to come in too, the team looks class. Imagine those options with a proper ball playing loose forward like Cuthbertson at 13. Best England side in a long time.
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| Quote ="The Neutral Zone"Hill showing again what Wire fans have been seeing all season, still baffled he didn't make the dream team squad seeing as he carried our whole team last year.
Where is Cudjoe at centre, is he injured? Currie did an admirable job in the centres for Wire this season, another option to look at.'"
Nope, Cudjoe's not injured, him and McGillvary were on fire for us at the back end of the year so seems a bit strange that neither can get a look in. Even stranger considering a non centre was playing at centre !
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Nope, Cudjoe's not injured, him and McGillvary were on fire for us at the back end of the year so seems a bit strange that neither can get a look in. Even stranger considering a non centre was playing at centre !'"
Quite shocking actually... and also very strange as you say you'd have funk McBanana would have played McGillvary and Cudjoe down the right as they must have been good all year with Jerry was top of the try charts, Cudjoe must have had a hand in alot of those (not seen the stats).
But they don't play for Wigan so......
Strangely enough Burgess (who i thought was Anonymous for the most part and plays left Wing) and Bateman (not even a at all) do play for said club.
Also i think Luke Gale deserved a shot more than Williams who incidentally also plays for Wigan.
Although i must admit Williams played pretty well.
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| Williams showed great promise in that game. Thought Widdop's kicking game was a little one dimensional and off target as well, but he might have been following team orders in the first half
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| There is probably a logical reason that Leeds, Wigan etc make up a large chunk of the England team. An ability to perform at the highest level under pressure, when it matters. These teams and players show that on a regular basis, season after season. Huddersfield show the opposite.
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| Quote ="tony1983"If you had Reed in at centre, moving Bateman and possibly S Burgess to second row, with George Burgess and Walmsley to come in too, the team looks class. Imagine those options with a proper ball playing loose forward like Cuthbertson at 13. Best England side in a long time.'"
Agreed. The Batemans, Williams, Burgess brothers are only going to get better in 2 years time.
Whereas in two years time, Australia's spine of Smith, Cronk, Slater, Thurston will be 34.
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| Quote ="tony1983"There is probably a logical reason that Leeds, Wigan etc make up a large chunk of the England team. An ability to perform at the highest level under pressure, when it matters. These teams and players show that on a regular basis, season after season. Huddersfield show the opposite.'"
Leeds needed interventions from the referee in order to beat Huddersfield 20-16 a few weeks ago
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Leeds needed interventions from the referee in order to beat Huddersfield 20-16 a few weeks ago'"
Yes, you are correct. The referee produced that world class kick over the top from McGuire and that shoddy tackle attempt from Grix. Idiot.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Leeds needed interventions from the referee in order to beat Huddersfield 20-16 a few weeks ago'"
Maybe that's why they don't pick players from the smaller clubs. They might be worried they have the same small time, always the victims to the big boys, it's all a conspiracy mindset as their fans.
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| End of the day I don't think we'll be seeing cudjoe and Jerry playing together for England this series, Leroys not going to owst Watkins for right centre, and I don't think Jerry is gonna displace hall to left wing. Although i do think they have a chance of playing, I just doubt if will be as pair. Leroy make take batemans shirt and Jerry may take burgess
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