No he's using facts that make assumptions. If your going to bring stats into it, at least factor in some kind of influence over figures, otherwise you literally have to include every attendance at every sport in the world, as only then can the conditions be quantifiably fair.

Hence I don't care about union vs league attendance debates.

I do find stats interesting, and when compared properly do offer insight. As you noticed, the ones it said can be used were those who shared grounds (as one can assume the same factors influence both sets of fans) - I wasn't dismissive of harlequins. I said ru clearly and brutally won. I offered some explanation as to why that was and moved on? The reason I wasn't fond on comparing sale is they supposedly (aka I read on the internet) are having trouble with fans saying moving to Salford changes the identity of the club or some other rubbish. So in that instance the very location of the stadium can be considered a factor to be factored in.

If you want me to do some quant analysis for you, by all means get in touch with my company and I'll make em show anything you want, but I'm not doing it on here now, it's what I'm paid to do. But, I will say a couple of things

A) any unciphoned data means nothing to everyone. If your in marketing you should know that.

B) as I finished my last post. The numbers posted prove more people occur in an area where professional rugby union is occurring. The rest is conjecture. I suppose it depends if your arguing "league vs union whose doing better getting quantity through the door?" Or "league vs union whose doing better?" - though the answer technically neither, American football (which is also a spin off of rugby) is kicking both behinds.

NFL model the way to go?

What get a nine billion dollar a year media deal and move RL to a country with 300million people?

Oh great, another RL v RU attendance thread. The year's not even 3 weeks old and we already have about 400 of them.



I was bored and could only be d doing it for the one club but after taking out the "event" matches for Saracens their average drops to just over 9.5k. That's quite a drop.

Do those Leeds & Wigan att include magic weekend figures (not divided by 8 or whatever agenda we're working to this week) or don't we count event matches at all?

I must be bored.

Remove the Harlequins "event" game at Twickenham and their average drops to well under 14k. Another huge drop which leaves 2 of the top 3 supported rugby clubs in England coming from SL.

You're welcome.

Remove certain games to suit an agenda.....way to go bored boy!!!!

Stats show Leicester as the best supported English rugby club followed by Leeds and Wigan so two of the top three best supported rugby clubs are league

Manipulated stat do, but actual attendances speak a different language. Event games are the way to go.....ask the NRL or wen the organisers of RLWC 2013.
The fact that Saracens and quins can attract 80k to regular season games should be proof enough of the appetite and Te benefits of these EVENTS.

Event games eh, who'd have thunk it?

Wine drinker. A wino is a wine drinker. One you would associate with the effluent classes. Barolo to Lambrini, Champagne to QC – it's all vino.

‘Middle England’ is like a Chateauneuf du Pape. Values itself highly despite being a mishmash of mediocrity with little substance.

Just call me Jilly.

Back to the opening question. Not a lot by the looks of it. Ibi Ali was one of the soldiers who has just completed 'walking with the wounded' trip to Antarctica with Prince Harry. He was a member of the Staffordshire Uni RL team. Good man and ticks all the boxes the RL should be looking to use pr wise

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Really? from you? FFS

To summarise.....

Insecure supporters of Super League slag off Rugby Union attendances at club level saying they are crap.

The following facts are thusly established...

=#0000BFSuper League Total & Average (2013) = 1,557,659/182 = 8,559
=#FF0000Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,662,682/132 = 12,596
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Aviva Premiership attendances 47.17% higher than Super League
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Insecure supporters of Super League cry =#FF0000FOUL!!! by claiming that Aviva Premiership attendances include 'EVENT' attendances.

So' EVENT' attendances of 186,151 are excluded and Aviva Premiership attendances are still 34% higher than in Super League.

=#0000BFSuper League Total & Average (2013) = 1,557,659/182 = 8,559
=#FF0000Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,662,682/132 = 12,596
MINUS Event Day Attendances (2012-13) = 186,165 from 3 events
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=#FF0000Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,476,517/129 = 11,446
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Aviva Premiership attendances 33.73% higher than Super League.
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Then another insecure supporter of modern day Super League pops up complaining the comparative stats are still skewed because 'MAGIC WEEKEND' attendances of 62,042 have not been included.

So let's include the Magic Weekend attendances shall we?

=#0000BFSuper League Total & Average (2013) = 1,557,659/182 = 8,559
=#0000BFPLUS Magic Weekend attendances (2013) = 62,042 from 7 fixtures
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=#0000BFSuper League Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,619,701/189 = 8,570
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=#FF0000Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,662,682/132 = 12,596
MINUS Event Day Attendances (2012-13) = 186,165 from 3 events
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=#FF0000Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,476,517/129 = 11,446
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Aviva Premiership attendances 33.56% higher than Super League.
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Nothing insecure (or modern) about me i'm afraid, fan of the game for 33 years. The clue's in the name.
People who twist and make up facts & figures continuously to suit some lame online persona/agenda are the ones with problems.

Thanks for confirming you included RU "event" attendances but "forgot" to include similar RL games too.
Nothing surprising there though eh. How about we exclude those events for obvious and much discussed reasons then re-do your table? You probably already did though and again for obvious reasons you've decided to go another way with twisting your stats....

Here's the top 3 for you just in case..
Leicester
Leeds
Wigan

Now how about those made up Word Cup ticket sales claims? Anything to back them up yet or do we just pretend you never said it?

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You're silly.

£750,000-a-season? That it?

You are never going to get through to Billy, he just wants attention.

Put him on ignore and he will get frustrated and start making jokes about the holocaust again. There was a nice enforced absence after that.

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Because no one on here has ever produced SL attendances without the Magic Weekend involved to fit their own agenda, no siree...

The Magic Weekend total attendance was 62,042 in 2013.

62,042 divided by 7 Magic Weekend SL fixtures equates to an average of 8,863 per fixture.

The average SL attendance in 2013 excluding Magic Weekend fixtures was 8,559 per fixture.

The average SL attendance in 2013 including Magic Weekend fixtures was 8,570 per fixture.

The difference between the inclusion of Magic Weekend fixtures in the overall SL attendance average figures and not including Magic Weekend fixtures in the overall SL attendance average figures is 11 per fixture.

Massive agenda right there.

No, really.

Course not. Did you divide the RU events too? No, thought not.

As a side note, there's a nice review here of last years RU double header..

[iThanks to aviva got some tickets. Was a good event but a bit long and other than the Rugby there was not much to do or see so we left early.[/i

Free tickets and he was still bored

The problem with some RL fans is that they have a similar attitude to the music fan who likes obscure, 'alternative' bands, and despite claiming how unique and special they are, would like nothing better than to see them accepted into the mainstream by the masses and become as popular as those they despise for their 'blandness' and commerciality.

Personally, as I said before, I don't think RL will ever compete with the Rugby Union's of this world with regard to national popularity, but I don't honestly see why this should bother true fans.... In my eyes, and to the majority on here, RL is by far the most skilful of the two codes, the most entertaining - Unfortunately, people have to accept, however odd it may seem, that the majority in the country prefer RU.

I am often lambasted for freely admitting to using connections to get to as many Broncos games as I could using freebies...they are there for every game, it's just about knowing where to look. Of the 30,112 at the Westpac last year, there were 7,000 "competition winners" care of Vodafone.....I attended 2012 SoO game 1 with Free tickets....State of Origin...the pinnacle of the game, giving away freebies??

As for this comment...

If Billy actually divided up the double header, then the Aviva would be bigger and as for the other 2 "events" they were single games......how would you divide a single game that is part of a regular round of games?



Your refusal to accept that Union gets bigger attendances and more fans to games is quite funny actually......you would be far better using the defence that without London and Salford, SL would be better