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| Quote ="Rock God X"Wow. When did our fans become so lacking in knowledge that they place scoring lots of tries in a higher bracket of importance than being the lynch pin around which the entire team revolves?'"
A 10-year old kid who's new to RL could watch Barba's tries and get excited. He's spectacular, great to watch and scores brilliant tries.
However, it takes a little more knowledge about RL to truly appreciate what Sinfield brings to his side.
Unfortunately, there are alot of "10-year olds" on here.
Also, Barba hasn't been tearing their team apart in SL for the past decade.
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| Quote ="king warrior"Why am i biased?
If your thinking i thought Sam should have won it your wrong'"
No, nothing to do with Tomkins. But your posts reflect someone that has it out for Sinfield regardless of how well he performs or what he achieves .
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| Some interesting comments on here about the Golden Boot.
I particularly concur with Big Jim Slade's view of Kevin Sinfield's performances during 2012.
One point worth making, when we compare Super League and the NRL, is that there were only two matches between clubs from the two competitions in 2012. Warrington defeated Souths in Sydney and Leeds defeated Manly at Headingley. And don't believe that the Aussie teams don't care about the results in those games.
If the Golden Boot was given to the most exciting player in the world, then I would guess that Ben Barba would have won it, closely followed by Sam Tomkins and Billy Slater.
So what do we mean by the best in the world?
It's hard to be sure. But a player who takes charge of his team on the pitch, inspires them to victory in the biggest games of the season, has a kicking game that creates try after try for a player like Ryan Hall, and is able to kick goals faultlessly, particularly when it counts in crucial matches, surely falls into that category by definition. And he could only be beaten by someone who could demonstrate the same qualities, but even more so.
Every aspect of Sinfield's play in the play-offs was superb. On the other hand, Cameron Smith's poor goalkicking in the play-offs could have cost Melbourne the title. Goalkicking isn't normally a criterion for determining the best player, but when other things are equal it can make the difference, and Sinfield clearly outshone Smith.
Smith and Cronk are a superb combination for Melbourne, Queensland and Australia, and if the Golden Boot were given to two players for their combined work together, I'm sure they would win it by a mile.
It's also worth pointing out, when we compare individual players from Super League and the NRL, that Luke Burgess struggled to get into the Leeds team in 2011, but then went to Oz and was a first choice prop forward for Souths in 2012.
I'm a great admirer of the NRL, but I don't think we should be intimidated by it.
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| The people who can only appreciate a players class if they are 'flashy' just highlights their poor understanding of the game. Have a choice between someone who masterfully guides his team around the field, great decision maker, passer and goal kicker against a 'maverick' who breaks the line, on balance I'd go for the first everytime.
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| Quote ="wakey_saint".... Cameron Smith, who also leads his team around the park and can kick goals from anywhere, ...'"
Sinfield's goalkicking success rate in 2012 was 82.84 per cent,( compared to 69.64 per cent for Smith)...in a team that scores the vast majority of it's tries out wide.
He is by some distance the most composed and consistent kicker the game has ever seen under real pressure.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"While I can't argue that Sinfield isn't a great captain/leader with a magnificent kicking game, he's not a player who I get excited about watching, in fact I only notice him when he's kicking. I never expect him to produce a burst of individual skill that completely turns a game on its head, and for me, that's what I look for in a player worthy of such an accolade. It's all personal preference.'"
It's a shame your 'appreciation' of the game is so simplistic that it passes you by.
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| From what I've seen on here (couldn't be bothered to look through every page...) and on twitter the general consensus is that there is no doubting Sir Kev's ability - he is a fantastic player and a superb leader - but the problem lies with the fact that he has been picked as the 'best in the world' in 2012, which is a bit suspect given who was on the short-list with him. It's a bit like if Wayne Rooney won the Ballon d'Or - nobody would say Rooney is a bad player but they'd question the fact that he'd been THE BEST.
Seeing the Aussie Journalists go into meltdown has been hilarious - calls for an investigation into the voting I seen one of them tweet this morning! It's great to see them have a moan and get so worked up over it!
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| Did Andy Farrell deserve his award in 2004?
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Smith has 2 of the best players in the world around him in cronk and slater as well as other top class stars like Hoffman. Not to mention arguabley the worlds best coach. More so with QLD & Australia
The Leeds squad as good as it is doesn't offer that support to Sinfield.'"
No, no, Smith and Slater make Cronk, you didn't watch every Storm, Origin and Kangaroo match of 2012, I did, I also watched some SL, Sinfield is a good place kicker, but this is Rugby League not rugby union.
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| Quote The cap in Australia is going on 5.5m ours is what 1.7m? And the argument they come up with is the cap is small to let the smaller teams get a shot and make it a level playing field wtf whats changed?'"
King Warrior, Ive met some pricks but you sir are a cactus.
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| Quote ="rufio"Leading try scorer in the NRL.
One of the best defensive fullbacks in the NRL.
Creates trys from nothing with his breaks.
When he gets the ball you expect something brilliant to happen, has the X factor.
Dally M winner, best player in the best comp in the world last year.
Saw Barba play live 20 times last year, Barba and Smith were the 2 standout players in the comp. Seen most of Sinfield career in superleague, but whilst he has been consistent, he has never been the best/standout player in the competition.'"
I was massively underwhelmed by Ben Barba in the Grand Final last year, I didn't see anything remotely special from the lad. He's looked good on a 30 minute NRL highlights programme every week but that's all it is.......highlights. I've watched Sinfield play every minute of nearly 40 club games last season,lift 2 trophies and receive 3 medals (2 winners,1 losers), and would say he's been as influential as any player in World Rugby. He fully deserves it and has been justifiably rewarded for his endeavours throughout a long ,hard season.
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| Quote ="ant1"Great for Kev'"
Probably
Quote ="ant1"superb for the Rhinos'"
Maybe
Quote ="ant1"tremendous for the country.'"
Nah.
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| Regardless of subjective individual opinions about the deservedness (is that even a word?) or otherwise of this award, it's great for the English game that a SL player has won it; he may be a moaning, arm-waving, ref-conning lover, but he's also an outstanding RL player who would add value to any SL side and plenty of NRL sides.
Fair play to the bloke and one in the eye for the whining Aussies.
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| hmmmm,congrats to him but my first reaction was to laugh.
cracking captain. best player in the world over the last 12 months? nobody can convince me of that. Scully won back to back mos and put in some cracking performances against aus.without getting a sniff of the golden boot
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"hmmmm,congrats to him but my first reaction was to laugh.
cracking captain. best player in the world over the last 12 months? nobody can convince me of that. Scully won back to back mos and put in some cracking performances against aus.without getting a sniff of the golden boot'"
Unfortunately for Sculthorpe in those two years there was Andrew Johns and Stacey Jones. In 2001 Johns won the NRL GF, The Clive Churchill Medal, and an Ashes series, whilst Jones took an NZ side to the GF for the first time along with the drawn series in GB. It was also the year of GB's embarrassment in Sydney
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| Great bloke, model pro, a real ambassador for rugby league that deserves recognition, just not the best player in the world as he is nowhere near that.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"I'd bet my mortgage on Parra beating Widnes. Actually, I'd bet Parra would beat Widnes and Salford together!
My point being, there is no hiding the fact that the NRL has more quality and is a tougher competition in the weekly rounds, and to produce such levels of consistant brilliance is staggering. I have nothing against Sinfield, born winner, but best in the world... I have to disagree.'"
Typical Wire fan mentioning Widnes.
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| Farrell was given it for long service, as they knew he was off to frikin union.
Danny Buderus should have won in 2004, remember that 4 Nations Final in 2004? Lol, 40-0 at half-time was it? Hahahahaha! And Buderus was awsome in that match.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"All this bitterness. I'm perplexed by the sheer number of people who seemingly can't comprehend what it is that Sinfield does and why he's so highly rated by other players and coaches who really understand the game. For years now Sinfield has been far and away the best leader in English rugby - both as a captain and in terms of leading the team around, he's the best kicker in English rugby - both in general play and conversions, his reading of the game is bettered by very few, and he's one of the few players in this country who can really control a game. Plenty claim he's average, but by every single definition of the word he is not. He's exceptional as are his achievements.
Why is there such a struggle to understand that leading a team round the park for 80 minutes of every game - as Sinfield does - is actually far more important than being a sublime broken field runner like Barba or Tomkins. Why is having a bit of everything as well as exceptional leadership and kicking not seen as being as good as being fast and elusive? This isn't about being the most entertaining player, it's about being the best player and to argue that Sinfield is unworthy of that accolade but Barba is? That's farcical. Would I pay the entrance fee just to watch Sinfield as I would for Slater, Barba or Tomkins? Probably not, but he'd be the first name down on my team sheet every single time because game after game and year after year he has been the difference. His highlights reel might not be as fancy, but few trophy cabinets can compare and he does it all with grace, grit and good sportsmanship.
If he was at Wigan or Warrington they'd be champions, he's also the reason they are not.
None of this is to say that others wouldn't be deserving of the award, but to suggest that Sinfield is undeserving? To me that shows bitterness and a complete ignorance of what he does.'"
I agree and he is a great leader even though i do not think the best player in the world.His kicking is one of the best in the World in play, and conversions are great too.Well done Sinfield and forget the biterness.I feel it is about his achievements over the years.
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| Quote Sinfield wins golden boot'"
Best player in the world but can't get in the dream team or nominated for the best player in the league.
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| never heard of ba? is he the lad who plays for newcastle utd? the smith fella did he once play for wigan or is that another failed aussies,get confused these days
Kev sinfield led his team to win the toughest comp in the world and underfeated as country captain
Guess what everything is not self centred aussie control go fook your self you aussies gimps
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"All this bitterness. I'm perplexed by the sheer number of people who seemingly can't comprehend what it is that Sinfield does and why he's so highly rated by other players and coaches who really understand the game. For years now Sinfield has been far and away the best leader in English rugby - both as a captain and in terms of leading the team around, he's the best kicker in English rugby - both in general play and conversions, his reading of the game is bettered by very few, and he's one of the few players in this country who can really control a game. Plenty claim he's average, but by every single definition of the word he is not. He's exceptional as are his achievements.
Why is there such a struggle to understand that leading a team round the park for 80 minutes of every game - as Sinfield does - is actually far more important than being a sublime broken field runner like Barba or Tomkins. Why is having a bit of everything as well as exceptional leadership and kicking not seen as being as good as being fast and elusive? This isn't about being the most entertaining player, it's about being the best player and to argue that Sinfield is unworthy of that accolade but Barba is? That's farcical. Would I pay the entrance fee just to watch Sinfield as I would for Slater, Barba or Tomkins? Probably not, but he'd be the first name down on my team sheet every single time because game after game and year after year he has been the difference. His highlights reel might not be as fancy, but few trophy cabinets can compare and he does it all with grace, grit and good sportsmanship.
If he was at Wigan or Warrington they'd be champions, he's also the reason they are not.
None of this is to say that others wouldn't be deserving of the award, but to suggest that Sinfield is undeserving? To me that shows bitterness and a complete ignorance of what he does.'"
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| Had to laugh at the rugby league world editor try to justify their choice by saying sinfield had a better kick % than smith olol. Total shocker. Sinfield wouldn't even get in an Aussie amateur team. Nearly as embarrassing as pan face winning it. Uk magazine votes uk player as golden boot shock
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| Quote ="Saint77777"Had to laugh at the rugby league world editor try to justify their choice by saying sinfield had a better kick % than smith olol. Total shocker. Sinfield wouldn't even get in an Aussie amateur team. Nearly as embarrassing as pan face winning it. Uk magazine votes uk player as golden boot shock'"
Carry on talking, it won't stop him winning the award and just makes you sound like an idiot.
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| I just voted that Kevin Sinfield is not the best Rugby League player in the world.
I feel my vote is as valid as the nutter at home after a few drinks who voted that he is.
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