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| Quote ="littlerich"Because it's only Leigh. It was at Leigh and therefore insignificant.
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| Looking at the RFL guidelines, gouging carries a E-F grade penalty, so 4 game ban upwards potentially.
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Wonder if he'll get an allowance for good behavior and having a spotless previous record.
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| Was it gouging though? Or did he just catch him on the eyes?
Either way it was extremely dirty and I'm disgraced to see that from my team
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"Was it gouging though? Or did he just catch him on the eyes?'"
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"Was it gouging though? Or did he just catch him on the eyes?
Either way it was extremely dirty and I'm disgraced to see that from my team'"
He gouged as far as I could tell. Definitely looked like he left the fingers in the eye rather than pulling his hand away.
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| The best team won, can't have any complaints. Didn't see the Hock incident from the stand but fully support any ban he receives for eye gouging, no defending that. Will have to watch it again to see that and the other incidents mentioned. A lot of uncharacteristic mistakes by us, such as Hansen dropping the ball for one of wire's tries, and we were punished for them.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"icon_lol.gif
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Only Hock will know if it was deliberate or not.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"Only Hock will know if it was deliberate or not.'"
Yeah, yeah. Sure the same nonsense will be spouted at the disciplinary too.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"Only Hock will know if it was deliberate or not.'"
He has never had a problem crossing the line before, or doing a line come to think of it
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I disagree, i think it caught him'"
But did he deliberately play at his opponent's head? If not, should a player be disadvantaged if it wasn't a deliberate play at the head of an opponent?
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| Hock is simply a druggie thug who brings nothing but shame to our game.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"Only Hock will know if it was deliberate or not.'"
I do understand that you're having to defend your player from the shocking actions that he has undertaken, and trying to deflect it by going on about how Morley should get what is coming to him for being a cheat......
......but bascially with that attitude you're making yourself look like a tvvat.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"But did he deliberately play at his opponent's head? If not, should a player be disadvantaged if it wasn't a deliberate play at the head of an opponent?'"
Wether he played at his head or not is irrelevant , you are not allowed to play at the ball to prevent a try , it should have been a penalty after the conversion , wouldn't have affected the result , but consistency is required
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Yeah, yeah. Sure the same nonsense will be spouted at the disciplinary too.'"
How do you know it was intentional?
If it was he deserves a legnthy ban but it all comes down to whether he did it deliberately.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"How do you know it was intentional?
If it was he deserves a legnthy ban but it all comes down to whether he did it deliberately.'"
Of course it was deliberate. You don't go out and "accidentally" eye gouge someone, do you......
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"How do you know it was intentional?
If it was he deserves a legnthy ban but it all comes down to whether he did it deliberately.'"
You're right, he accidentally puled Harrisons head back using his eye socket then accidentally threw an upper cut.
Just like he accidentally took drugs and accidentally grabs refs.
I can see why you'd be unsure about it, he's usually so well behaved.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"How do you know it was intentional?
If it was he deserves a legnthy ban but it all comes down to whether he did it deliberately.'"
Have a look at on Sky tonight. It was deliberate.
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"I do understand that you're having to defend your player from the shocking actions that he has undertaken, and trying to deflect it by going on about how Morley should get what is coming to him for being a cheat......
......but bascially with that attitude you're making yourself look like a tvvat.'"
What Hock did was wrong. But your players aren't angels either.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"What Hock did was wrong. But your players aren't angels either.'"
How do you know, it could have been an accident
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"How do you know, it could have been an accident
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Oh get stuffed. How do you know it was deliberate? YOU DON'T!
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"Oh get stuffed. How do you know it was deliberate? YOU DON'T!'"
It was every bit as deliberate as the uppercut which followed it.
Only a one-eyed moron (that's you by the way) can't see it.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"It was every bit as deliberate as the uppercut which followed it.
Only a one-eyed moron (that's you by the way) can't see it.'"
That's your opinion. I've expressed my opinion too.
Lets just agree to disagree on this because I'm quite frankly sick of replying to you
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"It was every bit as deliberate as the uppercut which followed it.
Only a one-eyed moron (that's you by the way) can't see it.'"
At risk of being labelled a one-eyed moron – I would say there is some doubt about whether the contact with the eyes was deliberate
Hock was pulling at Harrison’s face but I cannot state absolutely that he deliberately targeted Harrison’s eyes with a deliberate gouge – it was certainly less cut and dried that the upper cut he then threw
Don’t think I am defending Hock – he acted like a dirty thug but I cannot say 100% that is was a deliberate gouge
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| Quote ="Dunbar"At risk of being labelled a one-eyed moron – I would say there is some doubt about whether the contact with the eyes was deliberate
Hock was pulling at Harrison’s face but I cannot state absolutely that he deliberately targeted Harrison’s eyes with a deliberate gouge – it was certainly less cut and dried that the upper cut he then threw
Don’t think I am defending Hock – he acted like a dirty thug but I cannot say 100% that is was a deliberate gouge'"
Thank God!
Someone else isn't so convinced.
What he did was dirty but I'm not sure whether the eye gouge was deliberate
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"But did he deliberately play at his opponent's head? If not, should a player be disadvantaged if it wasn't a deliberate play at the head of an opponent?'"
No im not sure he did, but yes the burden of responsibility has to rest with Tomkins in that situation.
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