The one that says 'If you finish bottom you get relegated (unless you're Catalans) and if you finish top of the Championship you get promoted'. Yes, our ex-chairman voted for it - but we all know what a simply splendid role model he was for super league , don't we?

I don't think it's a conspiracy against Wakey as such, more a question of which is the team that brings least to SL - after Quins, Crusaders and Catalans (although I think that Catalans show great promise, and are worth their place as long as the number of home grown players starts to increase). The problem is that to many fans the quotes from the RFL and from Hinge and Bracket on Sky give the impression that it is not an open and honest assessment of a clubs contribution, but a rubber stamping exercise to 'justify' any decision.

Our biggest problem is that as a club we are trying to throw off the shackles of years of mis-management off the pitch, and ironically HMRC have given us the opportunity to do just that. Just as we draw in that breath of fresh air, though, we are in danger of being shown the door. I don't know whats in our bid, but the only stumbling block is probably the stadium - I maintain that there are at least two clubs who offer less to SL than us in our old stadium, and if we get a new one that number jumps dramatically.

all applicants reviewed together 14 best applicants received a license.

1 championship team is now awarded a license before the rest are even looked at.

rightly or wrongly the rules have still changed

Something else to throw into the mix. The BBC are reporting that messrs Moss and Roberts have said that they have no more money to put into the soccer club and HRMC want their loot by the 6th. of May, also that a number of parties have expressed an interest in buying the Racecourse Ground. This may just be an attempt to get Stephanie Booth and/or the supporters' trust to get their fingers out and make a proper offer intead of faffing around making statements to the media, of course, as if Wrexham F.C. go bust a new club probably wouldn't be allowed into the English pyramid but would be consigned to the tender mercies of the Welsh FA. Perhaps there's some mileage in the whisper I heard at the Saints game that the Crusaders will be around next year , but maybe not playing at the Racecourse (with the Deva stadium not up to SL standards the only reasonably local ground would be Shrewsbury - suit me nicely!).

[url=http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/73265-letter-tax-man-regarding-affairs-wrexham-fc-2006-a.htmlWe'll Soon See What HMRC Think[/url

Am I right in understanding the the RFL's loan to the Crusaders is guaranteed on The Racecourse Ground?

Apologies, if this has been posted but previously but the following link makes interesting reading!

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I understand that the RFL have a £700k charge on the Racecourse ground as part of the deal they struck with Moss & Roberts, so if the Racecourse ground gets sold then the RFL will possibly get some or all of that money back. However, given that Moss & Roberts own the Crusaders and don't have any money to invest, then surely the RFL then I have to think that the Crusaders do not have a viable long-term financial future. I think this is the beginning of the end of Crusaders. There is no way the RFL should really be considering offering the Crusaders another licence if Wrexham FC goes under and the Racecourse ground goes up for sale... I suspect that come the 6th May then this will be all over, unfortunately for Wrexham FC. I think in July the RFL will have no choice but to boot out Crusaders, assuming that they survive that long and suspect they might end up not finishing the season either way!

Yes, I am led to believe so.

They would be allowed back into the English pyramid (probably at Unibond North level) as Merthyr were when they went under last season.

That seems a fairly pro-wakefield reading of that. The Crusaders and WFC arent financially linked. To equate a statement saying the owners dont have the money to pour down what they not only accept to be, but in the very same article pretty much state to be a financial black hole that is WFC and the racecourse (in its current position) with they have no more money for any other venture is crazy.

Crusaders will finish the season, They have already applied for a license. This isnt new news to them. I think its sad that some people are death riding Crusaders because they think that their death will save another club from its own failures.

Could be wrong but I thought the Crusaders, WFC and the ground itself were all tied in by this Wrexham Village lark?

it says in the article


The Crusaders currently have a long lease to play Super League games at the Racecourse and this will not impact on their future.

They may still have a place to play but if the owners have no money and the company is making losses how will they remain solvent?

Borrow some more cash from Richard & Nigel, expansion is future, at all costs

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That would depend on who the lease is with. Presumably the same people own the Racecourse and if that company is insolvent then what is there stopping the ground being sold?

it doesnt say they have no money. It says they dont have the money to be putting into something where they never expect to get back even what they have put in now.

Smokey, do you blame Ian Lenighan for Wigans breaches of the salary cap?

Not having any more money for WFC could also be read as 'not prepared to put any more money in, and we're fed up with people saying they're going to buy the club and then apparently changing their minds'. It seems to me that the person muddying the waters is Stephanie Booth, and without her something would have been hammered out (possibly literally!) between Moss and Roberts on the one hand and the Supporters Trust on the other by now.

No, I dont. That would be ridiculous.

But Wakefields failures are Wakefields failures, wishing another club suffers to cover up those failures is pathetic.

Unless you were a Wakefield fan?

Firstly Smokey, yes, it is a little pro-Wakefield but that is because this folly called Crusaders has already failed twice and looks ever more likely to not have a viable financial footing IMO, unlike Wakefield, who now absolutley do.

Also, as Hopie and others have pointed out, yours seems to be a pro-Crusaders bias! You are correct Crusaders is now no longer owned by the Wrexham Village Ltd Holding Company, it is a new phoenix orphan company... but is has the same major shareholder and directors, Moss and Robert!!! These two directors have stated that they 'unable to continue' putting money into a loss making venture, you are correct, it does not state that they don't have any more money, just that they are 'unable'. So you are the RFL, we know Crusaders is a loss making venture, even more so at the moment given their reduced Sky money, and the two same people that are unable to continue to support Wrexham FC are the future of this Super League Club for another 3 years!!! So you kick out Wakefield, who now have a viable financial footing, an owner willing to spend up to the salary cap if they stay in Super League by topping up the shortfall, versus two characters whom have managed, at least one and possibly now two, other sports companies into administration!

Also, this very dodgy final statement about the Crusaders having a long term lease at the Racecourse ground... err they own it and might be selling it, so if they have to sell then how can the future of that lease be certain under a new ownership... it can't!

I am all for expansion but this has got silly now, if the Racecourse ground gets sold, the RFL should get a good part of it's money back and they should then cut their loses and move on, otherwise they risk losing face and even more money!

No, it would always be pathetic. I wish the best for all our clubs. If that means mine is left behind, so be it.

i wondered why this thread wasnt making sense, then realised its because i have Smokey on 'Ignore'.

That is now a stupid comment... Wakefield now have a firm and viable future financial footing, Crusaders appear not to have! No one, including the majority of Wakefield fans, are covering up the recent financial issues and previous failures but that is the point you are missing... previous, not current. You can see why they might now be a little hacked off, with people like you wishing them to suffer because of their previous history under another owner... that is pathetic!

The only person being pathetic here is you... wishing Wakefield suffer because of previous financial issues under another owner. In actual fact, pathetic hypocrite would be correct, because you don't wish all our clubs the best do you?

and how many times has this Wakefield folly failed over the last 100+years.

they only look ever more likely to fail to those how have already decided they will and are looking around for any evidence, however poor, to back up their prejudice.

So everything on this thread from that release is completely irrelevent to crusaders. There is even a specific not to say Crusaders are unaffected yet you are using it as evidence of their impending doom. Do we? I dont, How on earth do you? We know they were, but we also know that when they went bust they put the blame down to servicing historical debts from the Leighton Samuel era, These now dont exist. But they have fewer debts to service.

They are unable to put money into a business venture they specifically say will never pay off for them. Its fairly understandable, why would they want to? And what has Andrew Glover proved? you think a couple of months proves he knows how to run an RL club? Who is to know that if in a years time Wakefield dont get newmarket and the club is still losing a couple of hundred grand a year, even more know Glover wants to spend the cap, he wont decide to just jack it in? I doubt very much he is rich enough to be putting £500k a year in for the next 6 years.

The lease would be guaranteed under any new ownership. Crusaders own the lease to it, selling the freehold to that property wouldnt mean the lease could be cancelled.
so right now Crusaders dont own the racecourse ground, and have a long term lease on it. If the owners of the racecourse ground sell it, and Crusaders still dont own the racecourse ground and still have a long term lease on it one is fine but somehow the other is silly? will Wakefield own newmarket or have a long term lease on it? will the freehold be owned by AG or by another company? Do Wakefield even own the freehold on Belle Vue or is a long term lease? If its a long term lease should the RFL cut their losses?