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| Quote ="j.c"which clubs are you talking about ?.'"
Yes.
I was wondering that as well!!!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"the difference in crowds between the expansion club Crusaders, and heartland (dont make me laugh) club Catalans prior to bringing them into SL was about 300,
We spent 100 years trying a bottom up approach it failed miserably, after ten years of trying it the other way with at least one successful pro club, and lots of success in the amateur scene at another, we have some fools wanting to go back to a system we know doesnt work. Its crazy'"
Please explain what the top-down and bottom-up approaches are, because surely what you've written is a contradiction! If you have lots of successful amateur clubs that have recently been formed in the RLC then the bottom-up approach within the last 13 years [ihas[/i worked. Money has been poured in at the roots of the game and the stem and leaves are starting to open and spread out, so to speak.
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| Quote ="Peckerwood"Please explain what the top-down and bottom-up approaches are, because surely what you've written is a contradiction! If you have lots of successful amateur clubs that have recently been formed in the RLC then the bottom-up approach within the last 13 years [ihas[/i worked. Money has been poured in at the roots of the game and the stem and leaves are starting to open and spread out, so to speak.'"
in about 90 years, one club has grown from amatuer to semi-pro, one. Skolars.
Since the we put a SL team in London, look at the massive growth of the amateur game there.
The RLC is a very good thing, but it isnt spreading the game as far and as fast as putting teams in London and Wales have done.
Bottom up is building from the bottom, as it sounds, taking a place where there is no amateur game, growing one, then once the game in that area becomes strong enough a semi-pro team or two, once they are strong enough a full pro team. This has never happened, not once, in the entire history of RL.
Top down would go the other, use a club like quins or Crusaders to give visibility to the game, get lots of people interested and help set up an amateur game which will grow stronger, faster.
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| A visible presence that shows the pair of them lurching from crisis to crisis etc etc etc. That really makes people think the game is worthwhile....good for a laugh for the kick and clap brigade maybe
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| Quote ="DemonUK"A visible presence that shows the pair of them lurching from crisis to crisis etc etc etc. That really makes people think the game is worthwhile....good for a laugh for the kick and clap brigade maybe
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the kick and clap brigade arent important.
The improvements in the amateur game in london and wales which co-incide with the work done with Quins (in all their forms) and Crusaders has unarguable.
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| There's a strong amateur game in Cumbria isn't there? No SL clubs there.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"There's a strong amateur game in Cumbria isn't there? No SL clubs there.'"
there has been though.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"there has been though.'"
which was pretty disasterous if my memory serves me correctly ?
Cumbria has every right to expect SL repesentation as much as Wales,London & France IMO
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"That is the BIG thing.
After this set of franchises. Any Club at any time can bid for a place, if they are accepted they have three years to prepare in the lower leagues, then you are in.
Clubs in there are constantly assessed and if they are continually failling they are dropped.'"
When was this announced? I cant remember seeing the press release?
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| Quote ="j.c"which clubs are you talking about ?.'"
I'm not talking about any clubs in particular. I'm talking about what the RFL are trying to do. Replace long time under-performing clubs with better run clubs with more potential.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I'm not talking about any clubs in particular. I'm talking about what the RFL are trying to do. Replace long time under-performing clubs with better run clubs with more potential.'"
So you are suggesting that we kick teams out of Super League who are there on merit and replace them with ones who have the potential to be there on merit in the future?
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"So you are suggesting that we kick teams out of Super League who are there on merit and replace them with ones who have the potential to be there on merit in the future?'"
if it were about merit then SL would look a whole lot different than it does now.
London, Paris, Gateshull, Crusaders, Catalans....all given places in the comp before licencing was even thought of...the success of these teams is variable.....but the fact remains that they were all fastracked into SL.
I feel for the team that gets ejected....but repeat that all the Chairmen agreed to this system.....and nobody else but each individual club is responsible for their failings.
The Club I support have failed to attract fans...even though they were told this was the No1 priority by the RFL.....Cas, Wakey, Salford were all warned about stadiums.....they have nobody to blame if they are the team ejected for not addressing the warnings issued by the RFL......
As for the OP......of course the game is a credible sport. Just because you disagree with the governing body doesn't make league any more of a credible sport......
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"So you are suggesting that we kick teams out of Super League who are there on merit and replace them with ones who have the potential to be there on merit in the future?'"
The merits of being in SL have changed. Get over it. Teams that aren't living up to their license promises aren't there on merit any more.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"That is the BIG thing.
After this set of franchises. Any Club at any time can bid for a place, if they are accepted they have three years to prepare in the lower leagues, then you are in.
Clubs in there are constantly assessed and if they are continually failling they are dropped.'"
Quote ="a.n Other"When was this announced? I cant remember seeing the press release?'"
Any link for this yet Smokey? Tried searching and cant find anything about the above.
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| Quote ="a.n Other"Any link for this yet Smokey? Tried searching and cant find anything about the above.'"
Sorry, there was a missing word in there, SHOULD
That was how i would wish it to work, how it should, it was never meant to be a representation of what the RFL are doing, just what i want them to do.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Sorry, there was a missing word in there, SHOULD
That was how i would wish it to work, not how it should, it was never meant to be a representation of what the RFL are doing, just what i want them to do.'"
Poor attempt at a side step there
These clubs that should be able to apply , you suggest they are told they are in SL and then spend 3 years in the Championship ' preparing ' , thats a good way of making the second tier even more worthless , having teams ' treading water '
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| Quote ="Starbug"Poor attempt at a side step there '" How is it a side step?
Quote These clubs that should be able to apply , you suggest they are told they are in SL and then spend 3 years in the Championship ' preparing ' , thats a good way of making the second tier even more worthless , having teams ' treading water ' '"
if getting to SL is the only reason to compete in the championships, then all clubs are simply treading water.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"How is it a side step?
if getting to SL is the only reason to compete in the championships, then all clubs are simply treading water.'"
No the idea was that you win the Championship to get into SL , How do you suggest they ' prepare ' ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"No the idea was that you win the Championship to get into SL ,'" and that is different from competing in the championships to get into SL because???????
Quote How do you suggest they ' prepare ' ?'"
By building a squad of young talented players, and giving them experience, bedding in an SL quality coaching, sales and commercial staff, spending two or three years chasing sponsors, selling tickets, selling corporates, selling the clubs, building interest, building visibility, building player pathways and an academy,
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"and that is different from competing in the championships to get into SL because???????
By building a squad of young talented players, and giving them experience, bedding in an SL quality coaching, sales and commercial staff, spending two or three years chasing sponsors, selling tickets, selling corporates, selling the clubs, building interest, building visibility, building player pathways and an academy,'"
So you mean being a Championship club basically , how will that prepare them for SL ? , you have stated many , many times the gap between part time and full time is huge , so basically they will need to change 90 % of their playing staff when they move up , unlikely they will retain any decent young players or a SL quality coaching staff either
If they are not competitive they will not build a fan base either
Or are you suggesting they go full time in the Championship ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you mean being a Championship club basically , how will that prepare them for SL ? , you have stated many , many times the gap between part time and full time is huge , so basically they will need to change 90 % of their playing staff when they move up , unlikely they will retain any decent young players or a SL quality coaching staff either
If they are not competitive they will not build a fan base either
Or are you suggesting they go full time in the Championship ?'"
no im not, Im suggesting they be an SL club in the championships, they can go full-time if they wish, but they should be looking at filling their squad with young players, that would be the point, so they didnt need to change 90% of their playing staff when they move up, they need to pick up SL quality young players and coaching staff, people who will be happy to be involved with a club they KNOW will be in SL in 2/3 years.
They may not attract masses of fans, but it will help get the message out they exist, it will help to build visibility, they can use it as time to sell themselves in all aspects and to put in place the infrastructure to deal with that.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no im not, Im suggesting they be an SL club in the championships, =#FF0000they can go full-time if they wish, but they should be looking at filling their squad with young players, that would be the point, so they didnt need to change 90% of their playing staff when they move up, they need to pick up SL quality young players and coaching staff, people who will be happy to be involved with a club they KNOW will be in SL in 2/3 years.
They may not attract masses of fans, but it will help get the message out they exist, it will help to build visibility, they can use it as time to sell themselves in all aspects and to put in place the infrastructure to deal with that.'"
So basically be given an excemption on the Salary cap , marvelous , we finally get a competitive league and you want to f*** it up
It doesn't work , you know it doesn't work , you have stated many times you cannot grow/build a club outside SL to prepare for SL , you have stated that is why the likes of the Crusaders have to be IN SL , you are contradicting yourself again
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| Quote ="Starbug"So basically be given an excemption on the Salary cap , marvelous , we finally get a competitive league and you want to f*** it up
It doesn't work , you know it doesn't work , you have stated many times you cannot grow/build a club outside SL to prepare for SL , you have staed that is why the likes of the Crusaders have to be IN SL , you are contradicting yourself again'"
I've have argued you can't grow an SL club in the championships, and i dont believe you can.
But i certainly think you can put the infrastructure in place and prepare very well for SL, and benefit from that preparation time whilst in the Championships.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I've have argued you can't grow an SL club in the championships, and i dont believe you can.
But i certainly think you can put =#FF0000the infrastructure in place and prepare very well for SL, and benefit from that preparation time whilst in the Championships.'"
What like ' Facilities ' and stuff ?
And then change your coach and 90 % of your playing staff
More utter bollox
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| Quote ="Starbug"What like ' Facilities ' and stuff ?'" yes
Quote And then change your coach and 90 % of your playing staff
More utter bollox
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well no, that would be the point.
for a change you have completely misunderstood a very simple point.
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