There is such a thing as subjectivity but if Crusaders were awarded the point for financial stability then this was taking it a bit too far. As the exact scoring is deemed confidential, we may never know.

They did no such thing. Once again, they said that Crusaders submitted one of the 14 best bids. The bidding process contained factors that had nothing to do with the intrinsic quality of the club.

It must have been almost entirely subjective to think they had a better bid than some of the clubs they rejected.

You’d think that a criteria based process is there to obviate the necessity for subjectivity?

Which is plain stupid, and why they are in the mess they are now in.

And this is, of course, a large part of the problem. Although I can see why it was done.

People are judging the worth of the successful applications without any real information on how all the bids were scored or judged. Plus the points-based system made famous by Sky Sports was never the actual system to be used to make the decision for entry.

Of course it wasn't , it was who had the best pies according to Nigel

Which is plain stupid, and why they are in the mess they are now in.

It's not stupid in principle, although in this specific case it's certainly bitten the RFL on the backside.

A large part of the idea behind franchising was to be able to implement a more strategic approach to the composition of SL and hence the development of RL. This is a sound enough idea in itself, but the implementation has fallen short of the ideal. The RFL appear to have allowed themselves to be taken in by Leighton Samuel despite his prior history and, I am led to believe, specific warnings about his character and likely behaviour. All that has followed has stemmed from this error of judgment.

Even if the Crusaders had been a success, they way they have gone about this imo isnt good for the game. If as Pepe has said, the RFL had come out and said Quins, Catalans and Crusaders are in the SL regardless due to tv money or development of the game, i could and will accept that.

With regards an error in judgement. A quick name search by the RFL on the BBC sport website would have told them all they needed to know about the man.

The decision on franchises has to be subjective to some degree as there are bound to be applications of similar worth to be decided between, no matter how many criteria you might list. The criteria were there to allow the bidding clubs to see what kind of things the RFL were looking for, not some kind of automated checklist.

It is stupid on principle, to say that you are running a fair system and make some very controversial decisions and tell no one how they were actually judged. This is what has led to all the problems and mistrust. Nothing you have wriiten changes anything from my first post.


I agree. I think some of this could have been avoided by the RFL simply being honest about the introduction of a Welsh club to Super League. Maybe then they wouldn’t have had to deal with characters such as LS.

Go on , explain this one , that and the ' Intrinsic value of a club ' , you have been reading up on the bull sh177ers guide to speaking by N Wood and R Lewis , available from all good SL clubs merchandise shops

Who do you think Celtic Crusaders’ bid would have been so close to, that such an extent of subjectivity was required?

Quins have never been in a position to be removed.

Catalans were initially admitted under pretty much the terms you mention, and have since then never been in a position to be removed.

The whole Crusaders situation has been badly handled from day one IMO, whatever the motives involved.


There are none so blind, etc. I think the RFL saw so many apparent advantages to working with LS that they wilfully ignored the huge risks.

Not being privy to all the applications and not knowing the full criteria used to judge them it's a tad difficult to say.

Plus you're conflating two issues.

Then if the Crusaders fail again , they should walk , simple as

You say Quins have never been in a position to be removed , that is true , just as Wakefield havent , but somebody will be going next summer , and it will all be down to stadium criteria , there will be no subjectivity to it

Does this mean you think the RFL are NOT transparent and only you know the sytem ?
Has the system now changed so those having financial problems can still be in Super League ?
When do they plan to relocate Featherstone into Scotland and Widnes into Dublin to take advantage of the strong rugby union played in those countries and the nascent rugby league talent ?
Do the RFL have a plan or are they like those politicians 'who are not fit for purpose' and just keep going until it is time for their golden handshake ?
Let's not concern ourselves too much about the genuine rugby league supporters left behind at such places as Bridgend or Blackpool.

I honestly can't be bothered to converse with someone who comes up this kind of juvenile nonsense.

Why?


Really?

Congratulations on your hat trick , more utter bollox , you like the ball less idiots at Red Hall hide behind ' wording ' , I'll tell you what be ' subjective ' and look at the ' intrinsic values ' of the various clubs in a ' strategic ' way ,then decide who has the best pies

You dont know what they mean do you ?

I think the general basis for the applications were well known. Leigh published them after the result. I’ve been trying to find them, but can’t.

It did include stadium/infrastructure, finance, playing strength, attendances, academies &c

Because they have made a total cock up of the whole episode , going from one disaster to the next , they have been dishonest and lied , they have colluded with people to break Visa laws and generally hafe a right tit of themselves and the sport

Yes actually

How long does it take to google

Strategic

Intrinsic

Composition

?

Obviously there must be a particular criterion that states that a club must have a certain "Je ne sais quoi".



What is welsh for "Je ne sais quoi"?