Great work from the Bulls.

Widnes - get a life; you are making mackenzie look like a rounded individual...

Absolutely

*fixed that for you.


Me admitting on a forum, isnt evidence enough to alow them to force me to follow through with my pledge, they need actual evidence that i was me, and i made sure my IP address was untrackable whilst doing so (i would be doing it now, if there was any chance of this coming back to bitw me in the ). hth.


Not quite, more like bored, a little drunk, and with immature friends.

Can someone explain this to me, admittedly, I havent read about it properly.

The people who have made the pledge, did they have to pay up front or just like say, "yeah I will buy one". If its the latter, whats to stop them not following up on the pledge?

they didnt have to pay to pledge. In theory, they have a legally binding contract - so the Bulls could pursue them through the small claims court if they dont pay up. I doubt that they will bother doing though.

You enter into a legally binding agreement to buy a ticket at a later date (providing at least 10,000 people in total make the pledge, which they now have), however there is nothing stopping you from giving the details of, for example, your mate (as a joke), or someone you dont like (in an attempt at getting the bulls club to hunt them down, for the £60, for the ticket the person doesnt want), or just giving competely fabricated details (in an attempt to pi$$ off the club, and waste their time)... not a well thought out idea imo





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Ok cheers, I wasnt aware of the legally binding contract. But tbh, if you make the pledge and can get a season ticket for 60 notes, I cant see many not following it through

Really?

If people have put in multiple pledges while ony wanting one ticket or people putting in false pledges will not many. Nor will these people be pursued 'legally'. Some of the people I saw sign up in the Brighouse area seemed to be taking the p***.

It was an astonishing hike in numbers with around 3500 pledging in the last week. It almost defies belief. If it gets more people watching TGG then fair play to the Bulls.

*fixed that for you

So all 265 or so posts you've attempted to hide your IP? Yeh right.

You're more traceable than you seem to be aware of.

Ive signed Barry Mckenzie up multiple times

I suppose that if the people working in the Bulls office were aged 10 and quite naive, then they might have thought such a name was genuine, and counted it.

Hmmm.... leaving aside the interesting question of whether you actually believe that there really are so many co-morons, let's wind back a bit:





So, in which of these two posts were you talking utter bull? I think we should be told.

You should have signed 'Dally Messenger' up instead.

He's from Bradford

Do you sort of get the impression that some people professed pity for our plight when they did not really expect us to succeed, but are now pretty pretty hacked off because we actually did it?

I'd guess there is an actual figure the Bulls were happy to follow through on the £60 offer for.

In their plans, 7500 may be enough for them to juistify it, so aim for 10,000 to allow for multiple pledges, people whose changing circumstances may prevent them on following through and tools with too much time on their hands.

Either way, well done Bradford for a good inintiative. Hope it works as well as they hoped

Fair play to them on a good gesture, but (maybe been harsh) it's sad to see how far they've fallen that it's come to this for them. I bet no-one could imagine in the Bullmania days when they were averaging 15,000 and taking thousands to away games that they would be almost giving away season tickets (which at £60 for a full season it nearly is). Went to that game in '99 (as a neutral) when they had 24,000 against Leeds, hard to see those days ever returning again.

Like I said though, it's a nice gesture.

"That it's come to this"? That's a strange way of putting it. Unless a club could somehow forever remain successful, which is self-evidently impossible, it will have ups and downs and when times are hard, it's up to the club to deal with this as best it can commercially. "How far they've fallen"? What, in the sense that we remain in the premier competition at the apex of the RL ladder, with crowds that are still the envy of many? Wow. Quite a vertiginous plummet that, wasn't it?

What it in fact is, is a marketing masterstroke, to at a stroke cut off the decline in crowds at a pass, attract huge interest and publicity, and simultaneously inject a sudden and unexpected feelgood factor at a club which didn't even qualify for the playoffs. It's just great work, and such attempts to put a negative slant on the Pledge scheme are ridiculous.


Nobody aged 15 maybe. Oh, and the season tickets are not, looked at as club gate income in the round, being "almost given away". Others have explaiend the maths already at length and far better than I ever could, but as a basic point you seem to fail to understand that a £60 season ticket is only exceptionally cheap for someone who would have gone to every game anyway. What we were finding was crowds suddenly dropping off to a significant degree and the expectation that, without doing something, more and more people would pick and choose which games they went to, and season ticket sales would have been seriously at risk. It's been a masterstroke in many respects, but the temptation to now attend more games than would otherwise have been the case (because you've already paid for it) and thus spend additional money in the ground, and add to the general buzz and feelgood factor that bigger crowds inevitably create, is obvious.


Then you presumably have no knowledge of RL history at all. Just a short time ago, when we were flavour of the month, you might equally naively have said that it was hard to see the dark days of 1964 ever returning again. You'd not have been so sure by the end of our losing streak, would you? Even a 10 minute reading of any club's history would be enough to convince anyone that good times and bad times are cyclical, and far from being "hard to see", I'd say that near full-house crowds at Bulls v Rhinos are certain to re-appear. It's only a matter of time, and the wheel turning. Indeed all it would take is for both teams to have a top-4 clash at the business end of the season with both going well, on a balmy warm evening, and it could even happen in the next season or two.


And like I and others have said, it's infinitely more than a "gesture", but yes, it does also serve that purpose exceedingly well. The word "masterstroke" is the best fit so I'll stick with that.

Not only did it, but also created such a reversal in opinions and feelings about the state of the club, that everyone now can't wait for the season to start. Just this week I've spoken to five people who haven't been at all for between one and three years and who are suddenly up for it. Two of them have already paid!

Funny how the bullter hasn't been back on, though. Wonder why that is?

Leeds have had ups-and-downs over the years but I would say that they've been averaging five-figure crowds for 11 years now, I would call that sustained success off the pitch (without having to drop prices).

Wigan maintained five-figure crowds whilst staring relegation in the face, ditto Hull when finishing 12th in SL.

I would call it an act of desperation rather then masterstroke, that's just my opinion. And it's not some grudge against the Bulls because I've had a soft spot for them since the start of SL (when they showed more creativity and drive then anyone else), but to me this just seems like, as Barnicle Bill stated, an easy way to guarantee 10,000+ each game next season to tick that franchise box.

All I was saying was that it shows how far Bradford's popularity has plummeted over the years, because in the mid 90's - mid 2000's there was never any talk of this, nor would there have been if they'd remained successful. Other clubs, as I've said, managed to maintain strong support during bad times without having to almost give away passes, don't see how that can be disputed.

What a non-point. Over the same period, for much of it, Bradford's average crowd was above Leeds. It's only because of Bradford's fall from the top echelons that the average is now well down, but the same thing would happen at Leeds, if the roles were reversed.


Can you remember how? Something like signing up for example the best prop in the world (Fielden), the Bulls' coach (Noble) etc etc and generally pushing the boat out big stylee. Thus creating a feelgood factor in adverse circumstances, and thus in very many respects doing what the Bradford board have done - taking significant action to halt a decline.


So you keep saying. If it makes you happy, go for it. Still an odd way to look at what most people, with hindsight, agree was a fantastic piece of marketing. If it hadn't worked then desperation might be valid, but as it more than worked, then to me your use of the word is just plain stupid. But that's just my opinion.


"Almost give away passes"

It's a great deal but you don't add to what credibility you retain by ludicrous exagerration. I'll be paying £225. You must be a lot richer than me if that counts as "almost giving away" in your book. And if anything, it shows how Bradford's popularity has rocketed, since if you add in juniors, families, and others to the equation, our crowd is now amongts the top in the league. Is that desperation? Does being (already) one of the best supported clubs in 2011 constitute a plummet? Maybe if you see everything in reverse!

Suspect it's the opinion of quite a lot of other people too.



I wonder if the fact that Bradford City have very succesfully done this for a few years has helped - people in Bradford are familiar with this kind of scheme and know how it works.

Anyway, brilliant bit of work.

FFS!



That just sums up how much of a mockery it makes of trying to build crowds properly. Hull & Wigan for a start would probably get 20,000+ every home game if they gave away passes at £60 each.







However you look at it, it's an act that just 5 years ago the Bulls would not have needed to do, therefore it is a desperate act (though an admirable one admittedly

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I think you are being a bit harsh.

The club have identified a problem with attendances, I am sure they could see that after a poor season last year the chances of getting any increase on average attendances was slim. They should be praised for making the effort to get people in through the gates.

How is selling over 10,000 season tickets a) making a mockery or b) not building crowds properly?