Well, I posted at the on the Challenge Cup final thread that Bailey was a complete c@ck for his last tackle cheap shot on Riley, not the first time he has acted in this way. Can I state for the record that I wasn’t influenced in any way by the colour of Bailey’s skin

To start a thread with the title ‘set aside your prejudices?’ is somewhat over the top for the fans of a sport that is generally regarded as one of the most inclusive in the country with a proud history being the first to break down racial barriers

As for the Bailey/Radford incident – Radford deserved his red card, Bailey’s elbows were flying around on the floor and I’m sure he deliberately targeted Radford’s head but the reaction was way over the top. Ask him now and I am sure that Radford would have preferred to stay on the pitch, smash Bailey in every tackle and win the game

I was away and watched the match with a few others ( of various clubs ) in Blackpool, a heated debate followed.

The conclusion we reached was

1) The ref maybe just saw Radders hitting the prone Bailey

2) The ref had ample opportunity to consult with his touch judges and the fourth official

3) The ref saw the attempted head butt on Long or he needs to go to specsavers

Given the level of external input from others we found it very odd that Mr Smith took the line he did, in fact it was very odd. One player ( Radders ) was guilty of violent behaviour and was given the correct red card and one ( Bailey) was also guilty of the same offence and got nothing.

No doubt the naughty boy panel will rule this week on one player ( Radders ) with a good conduct record and one (Bailey) with a long list of offences, don't hold your breath.

Justice would be Radders S.O.S., Bailey 3 matches my opinion has nothing to do with race, colour or creed its about serial thuggery.

Or you could offer to go twelve rounds with him yourself...

First post i have read on here that gets it SPOT on.

Radford should have gone for punching a man on the ground. The ref did not see the start of it and hence put the incident on report ( ie Bailey's elbowing).

What i would think is more interesting will be the disciplinary view. Bailey should get one game for the elbowing. However, Red Hall will not ban him because it will leave Leeds with three props out. He will get off with it on the grounds he was trying to kill headlice on Radfords hair.

Radford should get either a one or two match ban (taking into account his red card i would go for a one match ban).

But your opinion does have everything to do with your ill informed preconceived opinions of Bailey.

(If you need me to spell it out re-read your paragraph above then go and check out Ryan's disciplinary record)

Did you even read the first post? Maybe then you'd understand the title of the thread better

Great example that. You hate Cockayne who plays for HKR, given your username one would assume you have an underlying prejudice against HKR players.

yeah thats definitely it, a Leeds based RFL conspiracy to protect Ryan Bailey

In fact GH has spent years building up his relationship with the RFL purely to stop Ryan Bailey getting a one match ban.

What it definitely isnt is people making a mountain out of a molehill because its Ryan Bailey, certainly not, no sir,

Ben is a muppet , I have no doubt he knows he is a muppet , a bit like your good self

I suggest if you want to get on a soapbox , find somewhere else

No it's called ' favouritism '

no, its called 'nonsense'

why would you think Leeds were Stuart Cummings 'favourites'

Neither party is innocent. Lets look at the facts.

Radford might have held down too long, still didn't deserve the elbows to the head he recieved. This in-turn, did not warrant Radford's reaction to stand up and throw 3 punches which 2 connected while Bailey was lying on the floor unprotected

Bailey might have been given an easier ride if he had got up and let the handbags reach their natural conclusion but, as is usual with Bailey and why is he universally disliked (bar most Leeds fans) is that he went back in late to try and act the big, tough man and attempted to headbutt Long which luckily didn't connect.

Personally I think Bailey had this coming. He got away with his cowardly attack on Riley in the last second at Wembley as well as many years of dirty,niggly, third man in tactics.

In terms of the punishments dealt I think Radford was right to be sent off, you can't have players punching other players while they are on the ground unprotected, if at all. Nevertheless I think he should be given sending off sufficient because it happened in the heat of a fierce derby while being provoked by Bailey's elbows.

One things for sure, it will be VERY tasty if Leeds and Hull meet in the play-offs (if that is possible before the Grand Final)

I can think of a few occasions he should have been (two in one match against you lot) but i don't recall him getting one. Had a quick peruse of google and couldn't find anyhting there either. There was a good article involving him (to use permissable language) having a wee wee on Barry Mac's hands while he was at Leeds.

Bring back the biff. In the good old bad old days. The ref would have said "right you've both had a go apiece now get on with the game". Discipline, it's killing the game.

However it's good to see Bailey on the receiving end.

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I'll admit I detest Bailey but prejudices aside, having Sky plussed the game and watching it later, thought Jamie Peacock answered the question perfectly about a justified sending off, when he did a mint Arsene Wenger impression. You don't get the "get on with the game" anymore so should have been 10 mins apiece end of story.

The difference between Bailey and Morley is that Morley would go toe-to-toe with anyone. Morley isn't a cheapshot merchant, and he doesn't go hiding. Morley has built a career out of being a hard man and is widely respected, both in England and Australia

Bailey is a coward. He knew exactly what he was doing when he started swinging the elbow and deserved the smacking he got. Then to wait on the floor until enough players got between him and Radford was laughable.

How Bailey has the clean disciplinary record he does beggars belief. There's not been 1 Leeds game on TV this season where he hasn't pulled at least a couple of niggling house stunts. That said, he's not on his own at Leeds. Ablett, JJB, Senior, and now Delaney are all of a similar mindset.

Morley has made a couple of 'cheap' shots in his career. The worst by far was his knee to the groin of a player in the NRL in his last season. Have a look at that, then come back on and try to defend him for that action, and find me something, anywhere, that Bailey has done that's even close.

Some of Morley's head high tackles whilst not necessarily malicious in intent have been expectionally dangerous as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Morley a lot, but don't try to defend his record. He got suspended a lot in Australia for a reason.

I have no idea if people are racist about Bailey, but the mass hysteria about him on here is completely ridiculous. If any other player but Bailey had been involved in that incident with Radford I suspect there'd have been no mention of his use of elbows, and a lot of ire directed at Radford's 'cowardly' assault on a player on the ground.

Right here we go again, The difference being Morley will do it to anyone, Bailey will only do it to Wingers and half backs or when someone is not looking. That's why nobody likes Bailey!!, why he's getting so much defence from Leeds fans is beyond me, after looking at his stats he is useless and lazy.

Without predjudice?

Bailey's actions may have been worthy of a penalty, but Radford's reaction was ridiculous. I'd have been happy with a yellow but accept a red.

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I did find it funny to see Bailey stand up, almost sheepishly, before seeing half a dozen players restraining Radford and deciding to pretend he wanted a go back (and trying to crack Long, WTF was that about!?).

For all those whos asked what the reaction would have been if it was the other way round, well I remember how much the Leeds speccies complained when Paul Davidson got Morley sent of in a Sts v Leeds match a few years back in a similar fashion. I also remember how little the Saints fans cared about said complaints (some said it was the most effective thing he ever did for saints).

Exactly - so using "Bailey has never been sent off" as a defence against him being dirty is a bit weak, since Newton never was either from what I can remember and he most certainly was dirty.

It eventually caught up with Newton, it will with Bailey too. The way he has decided to play the game has probably already done him out of ever playing for England again, so I suppose he's got his punishment in one respect.

Lots of potential but decided that playing the niggly faux hard man was the way to go, and he's a much poorer player for it. Unfortunately most Leeds fans think the way he plays is great, so he has no motivation to ever be anything other than a pantomime villain rather than a decent prop forward.

You don't remeber Bailey putting Morley on his ar#se at Headinelgy the other year? perhaps your a new fan?
What about Fausavalu? is he a half back aswell?

IIRC Bailey's only sinbinning in a game was after a real toe to toe brawl with Julien O'Neil @ Widnes (the forward not the half back), he's about 7 foot BTW.

I think Terry Newton got sent off for Leeds in the '97 WCC competetion for a spear tackle.

Not to derail the thread.

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You really think Baileys game is moulded to suit the fans reaction?

Wouldn't a more sane rationale be that is his playing exactly the way every Leeds coach that has has coached us for the last seven or 8 seasons has asked him to do? If that has made him "poorer" it certainly hasn't stopped his selection year after year and conrtact renewals year after year. And he's done this in a pretty decent side to boot, one that has contested 3CC Finals and 5 GFs in that time span.

Motivated by what the fans think of him. Priceless.

No I don't think his game is moulded to suit the fans reaction, but whilst he is hero worshipped more for niggling than making yards (whether asked to do so by the coach as you imply or otherwise), I doubt he'll think too much about his glaring deficiencies.

You think he's fulfilled his potential, I think he could have been so much more. That's fine.