'Hard Hitting' was going a little far on Tomkins i reckon. He's more of a pesty defender that just sticks to people like glue and snaps away at their ankles like a jack russell. The miss on King came from O'Loughlin firing out of the line and leaving Tomkins in no mans land. His defence has been superb for the large part and is tracking back on kicks leaves us looking like we've got 2 fullbacks at times.

As for Leuluai's defence he puts in some huge hits but i agree he falls off a few. He's still one of the better defensive halfs in superleague though and is improving in that department all the time.

WRT those opposition fans be-littling Sinfield last night he was named Leeds player of the year at our awards ceremony.

Fully deserved it was too. So, as the best player from the league's best team I think his inclusion in the dream team is meritorious.

That doesn't prove anything. Hall, Senior, Peacock have all had a better season then Sinfield.

Senior and JP weren't in the top 3.

Seems to make sense.

Pretty dissapointed from a Cas fans point of view not to see Rangi Chase in there.

Credit to young Tomkins though... young, talented british player!

Why doesn't it?

I think its' a very salient point to be honest.

I agree

That bum sinfield wont get a look in at the england 13 shirt if lockys fit

All he does is kick and cry to the ref every second

All he does?

He picks up the odd piece of silverware every now and then, unlike Todd Flanders.

How Gidley got in ahead of Nero who has been the form centre this year is anyones guess

He's only in to please the Saints fans I bet!

Menzies also well better than Galea.

I think you have the best and most understanding carer in the world.

Even Ricky Bibey has 2 challenge cup winners medals.

That's an interesting fact, but after checking, i dont think its quite right.

Danny Orr has 4 tries and 24 assists, Dobson has 11 tries and 15 assists, which both beat Mylers 11 tries and 15 assists.

Not checked many scrum halfs and not even looked at stand offs, think you'll probably find Dorn and Pryce beat him too.

Although I would be first to say stats only tell half the story though.

Myler has missed 7 games, so production when he's played has far outweighed anybody else.

not what you said though, you said he's missed so many games but is still 2nd.

Anyway no point arguing, suspect you might be right when you break it down per game.

Just like to say though, stats can be very misleading.

Theres no i in team now take your blue and yellow specks off

He aint a patch on tomkins so stick that on your pipe and smoke it!

I think you mean in. It would be pretty hard to smoke if he just put it on it, right ?

Maybe I am biased. He is our most successful captain and I do like the imagine of him lifting trophy after trophy after trophy. Its' what any supporter would want his captain to lead his team to isn't it?

Maybe the Lance Todd, the man of match in a WCC or the Player of the year in the league leaders team has caused my bias. O'Loughlin ever achieved anything like that?

So, I looked at the stats and you know what, they're very similar. The only difference is kicking, both in general play and for goal at which Sinfield is miles and miles ahead of O'Loughlin.

Everything else is pretty much on a par. Apart from , of course, the individual honours and team success I mentioned in my opening paragraphs.

So, do help me. Give me an eloquent justification for your opinion that O'Loughlin is such a superior player to Sinfield.

The thing I noticed about Sinfield's stats is his meters per carry which is about 5. So that tells me he's more of the playmaking type of 13 whereas O'Loughlin has made almost 3 times as many breaks (in 2 less matches). O'Loughlin also has a better tackles per game average and even more try assists than the 'playmaking 13' Sinfield.

If Leeds didn't have McGuire Sinfield would play 6. He is basically playing SO in a LF position.

Sinfield IMO is a failed half back who has had to move to the forwards due to his lack of pace. He isn't a natural 13.

You would say that though. Myler will be the best 7 in superleague next year. There you go we can all just say stuff.

He failed at stand off in the 2004 Grand Final didn't he?

He's a gifted footballer who can play either position very well. Our team is built around him and he's the fulcrum. Call me silly but building our team around this "failed half back" has reaped some rewards wouldn't you say?