I hope that's right. That's the best outcome for the game as a whole.

[quote="Once were Loiners":2ga0puid]I hope that's right. That's the best outcome for the game as a whole.[/quote:2ga0puid] It is if it's a long term solution. If it's merely kicking the can down the road for 6 to 12 months then not so much.

So if rumours are Salford are safe I can’t imagine us still signing Watkins if they don’t need to sell which is a shame but also happy for Salford

seems as sivo is out for season can't we get some salary dispensation?

[quote="Toblakai":ac7mclev]seems as sivo is out for season can't we get some salary dispensation?[/quote:ac7mclev] Looks that way, the question would be who is available to sign at this late stage?

Might be one where we go into the season and see if anyone becomes available.

I feel the club will 100% get Sivo dispensed from our 2025 cap he is also one of our marquee players so can’t see Blease & Hetherington just allowing Sivo’s salary and place being wasted. It’s so unfortunate for Sivo I think he would have been great for us hopefully he can recover as best as possible and his start with us is just delayed a year. Can’t see us rushing to replace him so late into pre season and don’t think it’ll be like for like as we do have plenty of cover for the wings at the moment. Handley, Hall, Edgell, Lumb, McCormack & Simpson can all be options on the wing. I can still see Miller possibly being used there as well this season. But we now effectively have a 25 man squad for the season and I don’t think it’ll stay that way so can definitely see Leeds putting Sivo’s place to use mid season.

[quote="JRhino1":3twxh7br]I feel the club will 100% get Sivo dispensed from our 2025 cap he is also one of our marquee players so can’t see Blease & Hetherington just allowing Sivo’s salary and place being wasted. It’s so unfortunate for Sivo I think he would have been great for us hopefully he can recover as best as possible and his start with us is just delayed a year. Can’t see us rushing to replace him so late into pre season and don’t think it’ll be like for like as we do have plenty of cover for the wings at the moment. Handley, Hall, Edgell, Lumb, McCormack & Simpson can all be options on the wing. I can still see Miller possibly being used there as well this season. But we now effectively have a 25 man squad for the season and I don’t think it’ll stay that way so can definitely see Leeds putting Sivo’s place to use mid season.[/quote:3twxh7br] What an absolute shocker. A player I think the whole competition would have enjoyed watching. Given that Sivo is contracted for the next two years it would be unwise to use his quota spot or salary on another marquee player even if one were available. However, I do think we'll now be in a very strong position to land Watkins from Salford if their still unresolved situation does not resolve itself soon.

Whilst the likes of Lumb, Edgell etc are full of promise. I do think the reason Arthur brought Sivo over here was down to him able to bring the ball out of our half similar to Hall on the other wing and the fact he can finish from 10/15 yards out when up against the full back and wing. Unfortunately as good as the young kids are they are not going to be anywhere near that requirement. If Salford have to sell at some time Lafai would be a good replacement at centre with Handley back on the wing imo.

[quote="chapylad":2ku1ssf3]Whilst the likes of Lumb, Edgell etc are full of promise. I do think the reason Arthur brought Sivo over here was down to him able to bring the ball out of our half similar to Hall on the other wing and the fact he can finish from 10/15 yards out when up against the full back and wing. Unfortunately as good as the young kids are they are not going to be anywhere near that requirement. If Salford have to sell at some time Lafai would be a good replacement at centre with Handley back on the wing imo.[/quote:2ku1ssf3] That’s a great point mate and shows why this is a hammer blow. They’ve some major thinking to do

Lafai on a one year deal would be a very good shout. Top class centre. 33/34 so a 1yr deal may suit him too.

At least Connor can play centre and Hall / Handley on the wings

Does the deregistration also apply to the quota, or just the salary?

[quote="Jack Burton":2na26p5e]Does the deregistration also apply to the quota, or just the salary?[/quote:2na26p5e] Aaron Bower on Twitter suggests that it's not explicitly covered in the rules and is uncharted territory not having happened before. He thinks we'd have to apply to the RFL to clarify.

[quote="Rhino at work":sfjzmbe9]Aaron Bower on Twitter suggests that it's not explicitly covered in the rules and is uncharted territory not having happened before. He thinks we'd have to apply to the RFL to clarify.[/quote:sfjzmbe9] God help us.

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We're in a very difficult spot, so close to the start of the season and with a spot for one year only. I agree with the comment that Arthur has set the side up to start sets with big wingers taking the ball in, and those same wingers being able to smash their way through close to the line. Lumb may have a big future, but he (nor Handley) cannot do that anywhere near as effectively as a big guy. I know he's burned bridges and neither side would probably even think about it, but the closest like-for-like I can think of would be Macdonald, who has played a on the wing a lot. Can anyone think of any British players who fit the bill? Or even close? The only other consideration would be that Frawley's contract runs out this year. But we're getting into very bad territory if we have to definitely lose him next year to get a winger for this one.

Ravalawa is available.

[quote="Rhino at work":1bcsnhe4]Aaron Bower on Twitter suggests that it's not explicitly covered in the rules and is uncharted territory not having happened before. He thinks we'd have to apply to the RFL to clarify.[/quote:1bcsnhe4] Amateur hour. How can this not have been foreseen as being a possibility to require a rule for. Personally I'd replace with a now 2nd row in Watkins. If not same position overseas if allowed.

Maybe we need to ask to borrow St Helens legal team. On a serious note if it`s not in the rules then surely they cannot dispute it. And is it classed as prejudice to prevent an overseas player come in to the team when Sivo an overseas player is no longer available for the season leaving a spot free?

Seems the Salford fire sale could still be on if they don’t secure the backing. RFL has said any player signed would not count on the OS quota for this year but they would need to have sufficient cap space. Would Tim Lafai be s good pick up on a one year deal

[quote="christopher":kkqcnoun]Seems the Salford fire sale could still be on if they don’t secure the backing. RFL has said any player signed would not count on the OS quota for this year but they would need to have sufficient cap space. Would Tim Lafai be s good pick up on a one year deal[/quote:kkqcnoun] He would if it was just one year. Just got to be careful that whatever we do is done with an eye to future recruitment and not just the present.

[quote="christopher":3mmp94il]Seems the Salford fire sale could still be on if they don’t secure the backing. RFL has said any player signed would not count on the OS quota for this year but they would need to have sufficient cap space. Would Tim Lafai be s good pick up on a one year deal[/quote:3mmp94il] Cetainly would do a very nice job indeed. adds a bit of power out wide we've now lost

[quote="christopher":han5kj7t]Would Tim Lafai be s good pick up on a one year deal[/quote:han5kj7t] Hey that was my shout. Saying that I`m not sure Handley could do the job Sivo was brought in to do. A similar style/size player to Sivo would be my choice.

If we get Quota dispensation, we should deffo go for Lafai. And play Handley on the wing where he belongs. Won't happen, but Macdonald would have been ideal as cover for Sivo.... Having Blease as DOR should really give us an advantage if Salford do need to sell players.