So you think Welham is the same build to the likes of Justin Hodges, Inglis (yes I know he's not in the 4N's), Idris etc?

how about some of you go read the very first post?


we'd be better served keeping club partnerships together than chucking 4 individuals together

By the looks of it, it'll be 2 individuals as Yeamo & Briscoe will be together.

His pre-season stats were 185cm and 91kg but he's still growing and I think they'll be different no we're at the back end of the season. Would be interesting to see what those others have?

I bet he's still 185cm.

Depends if he's been on the old GH which can give you a 5inch growth in height!

Inglis is 108kg and 195cm. I don't know how many times you've seen Greg Inglis, but his physique is on another level to Welham. Welham's a good attacker, but 60 missed tackles means he'll miss out.

I think it's fair to say he hasn't.

Anyway, he's still one of the best two English centres in SL, I'm happy with that.

If you have watched Hall at international he has been ripped apart. He looked out of his depth. Time to try someone new to see if they are good enough. The likes of Ben Jones Bishop, McGilvary and Charnley come to mind.

Still shenton and bridge for me. Tomkins and charnley are too green and would be ripped apart.

We're getting a good group of wingers together in Briscoe, jones bishop, hall and charnley with another years experience.

Shenton and Bridge IMHO opinion will never be good enough to compete with the likes of Hodges, Inglis, Jennings ect. I feel the likes of Charnley, Briscoe, Watkins, Ben Jones Bishop will be which is why we need to play them rather than the names you suggest.

BJB is the best FB at Leeds at the moment and that is his best position. That said, he is a very good winger too. Maybe put him on the wing like the Aussies do with Hayne.

Yeaman and Briscoe have to be together for England. 39 tries between them this season, the highest scoring winger/centre partnership in the league.

Point well made.
Manu in the second row as well, he's English now right?

I don't get the hype about Shenton tbh. Everytime I've seen him play this season he doesn't seem to of done much and in a Saints team. Doesn't say much really when he's only scored 8 tries this season and another who's missed alot of tackles, 43!

For me Shenton doesn't offer anything in attack. It's all good and well people saying Briscoe and Yeaman have scored so many tries and they should be in the England team but that crap IMO. IMO defending is much more important when we face the Aussies and kiwis. Someone mentioned Welham but he can't defend an would be ripped to shreds at international level.

So why not try it and see if it works at the end of this season rather than getting to the World Cup? Maybe you would be surprised by Welhams defence. Stats do not tell a whole story and much of them are dependant on the team around the player.

Also the best form of defence is attack. If we score more tries than them we'll win (generally anyway!). Hull KR vs Barrow many years ago was 0-0 for most of the match, two solid defences, Barrow won the game 0-1. So defend as well as we like if we don't have dangerous attackers in the side we might as well no bother.

At centre then who are our best defenders? We know Yeaman and Welham could both score tries on the left centre and Briscoe could play outside either one of them and bag plenty of points. Some names that have been mentioned wouldn't fill me with confidence in defence, like the Huddersfield lads, their defensive structures are good and their team mates generally leave them with one option to take, Nathan Brown gets credit for this, but put them in an England team where they might not have that same structure I personally think they'd struggle just as much as anyone else. Atkins needs to be kept away from the side IMO, he bottled it in Aus and while second chances are all well and good we have players deserving of an opportunity.

Briscoe is the best all round winger we have. Good tackler, fairly good in the air, carries it like a forward, quick and has abit of x factor. He routinely scores tries that not many other wingers would ever score.

Yeaman isn,t world class by any means, but he wouldnt let anyone down. Strong defender, knows how to run onto a ball and already has a good understanding with Briscoe. Most importantly though he has shown he isnt out of his depth at this level when he performed well in 2006.

If we went with those two I'm sure they would be able to deal with what the Aussies and Kiwis have to offer and cause them a few problems of their own.

best debut in living memory....my living memory anyway


like i keep saying...yeaman & briscoe are the best all english partnership on that side of the field

i fail to see how sticking shenton or bridge with briscoe is gonna work better???

So, to summarise, Shenton doesn’t offer anything in attack and yet Yeaman and Briscoe’s inclusion through proven try scoring is crap. Defending is most important when we face the Aussies and Welham can’t defend

Who exactly would you play in the centres and wing for England?

defending against the aussies,out wide, is'nt as big a issue as it used to be..

inglis - injured
hodges - injured
jennings - done nothing apart from rock upto training drunk
idris - looks good cos he's a fast prop running a small wingers
tate - biscuit body

they are struggling in the for once lol


its all about not being scared of them...yeaman went up against gasnier on his debut...and yeaman destroyed him

Hall has scored a hatful. He is a very good winger, big, strong, great appetite for work, decent hands, decent under the high ball, wonderful finishing ability. Im happy with him over Briscoe.
Tomkins, Briscoe, Yeaman, Tomkins, Hall

is a decent back five for us. I think its dangerous, big, fast, strong, dynamic

sorry, but briscoe over hall for me, you described evertyhing briscoe is with your description of hall

I dont think Briscoe is a bad player. In fact I think he is probably the more likely of the two to create some 'magic'. I think Hall does more work, and is a better finisher, Briscoe does less but to a slightly higher standard and is more likely to pull something out of the hat.

Hall will get you more from your exit sets and will finish anything you offer him, Briscoe is more dangerous and can still get them down.

They will be complement each other well imo. Better than Carney/Reardon, Carney/Pryce/Raynor

your all focusing on the wrong position....

if we had world class then it does'nt matter if we pick hall or briscoe...but we don't which is why it makes sense you us partnerships instead