I can see when clubs are spending cash they don't have. It is not too hard. Blackpool going bust wasn't exactly a surprise either.

Predicting sporting outcomes is another matter entirely. If I could do that, I'd have had money on the Kiwis winning the RLWC and Tri-Nations.

Not taking sides or owt but it seemed pretty clear from Grendel's post that he was alleging that the debt was built up in Bridgend Crusaders one year in SL not Wrexham Crusaders.

I blame the person responsible, which was Stephen Vaughan, and not the people who were left to pick up the pieces and had no other option but to do what they did.



Looking at those figures, it seems far from ludicrous.



I have posted no such assertions. I’m simply putting forward the true version of events which led to Widnes’ administration in 2007, and naming the person who was actually responsible, in order to counter the nonsense put forward by you.



Some are, most are not. The vast majority have put 2009 behind us, as they can see a brighter future ahead. I do however think the RFL are hopeless and completely dishonest, and I’m not just talking about their dealings with Widnes.

It's all in your head. Or is tb simply playing out Total Recall's Dr. Edgemar role? It's a pity you can't see the bead of sweat trickling down his forehead as he fills your head with plausible reasons as to why the RFL do what they do.

I think tb is actually playing both roles here, and trying to convince himself that some of the stupid things RFL do can be justified, because he must realise that he’s convincing no-one else.



I couldn’t possibly play the part of Arnold Schwarzenegger anyway, as most of my abs have fell off and I’m now left with only one – it’s a big one though.

Some really good stuff posted on the ' linked ' threads from last year , much of it absolute bollax of course , but interesting

Quote ="crucrucrusaders"For fans not realising who the person who has appeared having a pop at Wrexham here is an idea of what he was like when he supported Celtic Crusaders. You'll notice the threats, name calling and promises of retribution evident even back then. viewtopic.php?t=426540 The Leeds fans certainly had their fun. That's all I'll say on the matter from now on as pathetic squabbling is pointless. I just hope he gets banned like he has on other Celtic Crusaders forums for this kind of thing in the past. For me, personal pops at fans like the one I've now seen on another thread are out of order and childish. I just hope the powers that be also feel it is.'" Oh here we go, playing to the ashtrays again eh Lewis? Dragging up the past are we? Well here's a bit of history for you. Lewis is the Celtic Crusaders FIRST EVER superleague hooligan, having thrown the first punch in a scrap with a Hull FC fan in our FIRST EVER home match. This paragon of virtue has a Mandelson-esque penchant for "outing" poster he disagrees with by trawling their posting history for incriminating posts. Where these don't exist he puts his own spin on them. As regards the Ali Lautiti incident, I was standing NEAR to Lewis and he was going red with rage. Not enough to act of course, but enough top impress his little circle of "bestest fans ever" that he was still hard (including his girlfriend who often weight in on threads where he is losing it to back him up) Tell you what Lewis Mandelson, you keep posting endless "interesting" threads banging on ad infinitum to teams about getting their jerseys out in time for Xmas and wittering on at fans about supporters trusts. And of course pleading your case to other fans to support you by trying to desperately demean those who oppose you. And I'l keep taking the p155.

Quote ="crucrucrusaders"For fans not realising who the person who has appeared having a pop at Wrexham here is an idea of what he was like when he supported Celtic Crusaders. You'll notice the threats, name calling and promises of retribution evident even back then. viewtopic.php?t=426540 The Leeds fans certainly had their fun. That's all I'll say on the matter from now on as pathetic squabbling is pointless. I just hope he gets banned like he has on other Celtic Crusaders forums for this kind of thing in the past. For me, personal pops at fans like the one I've now seen on another thread are out of order and childish. I just hope the powers that be also feel it is.'" Oh here we go, playing to the ashtrays again eh Lewis? Dragging up the past are we? Well here's a bit of history for you. Lewis is the Celtic Crusaders FIRST EVER superleague hooligan, having thrown the first punch in a scrap with a Hull FC fan in our FIRST EVER home match. This paragon of virtue has a Mandelson-esque penchant for "outing" poster he disagrees with by trawling their posting history for incriminating posts. Where these don't exist he puts his own spin on them. As regards the Ali Lautiti incident, I was standing NEAR to Lewis and he was going red with rage. Not enough to act of course, but enough top impress his little circle of "bestest fans ever" that he was still hard (including his girlfriend who often weight in on threads where he is losing it to back him up) Tell you what Lewis Mandelson, you keep posting endless "interesting" threads banging on ad infinitum to teams about getting their jerseys out in time for Xmas and wittering on at fans about supporters trusts. And of course pleading your case to other fans to support you by trying to desperately demean those who oppose you. And I'l keep taking the p155.

Oh and Lewis, I have NEVER been "banned" from other Crusaders messageboards. To follow your own modus operandi, here is a thread you started on the "Crusaders Til I Die" bubble in order to try and slander me there, but which contradicts the lie you posted here that I got banned. celticcrusaders.proboards.com/in ... 563&page=1 You'll see, if you care to look lying Lewis, that in response to wpfib's question, Ianthephotoman, the site owner, states that I deleted my OWN account. You'll ALSO see that it is another of your ad hominem dredging for damnation threads and that your bird, Misscrusader, wades in to help you out, as I stated above. Your turn. You find one of mine, I'll find one of yours.

Oh and Lewis, I have NEVER been "banned" from other Crusaders messageboards. To follow your own modus operandi, here is a thread you started on the "Crusaders Til I Die" bubble in order to try and slander me there, but which contradicts the lie you posted here that I got banned. celticcrusaders.proboards.com/in ... 563&page=1 You'll see, if you care to look lying Lewis, that in response to wpfib's question, Ianthephotoman, the site owner, states that I deleted my OWN account. You'll ALSO see that it is another of your ad hominem dredging for damnation threads and that your bird, Misscrusader, wades in to help you out, as I stated above. Your turn. You find one of mine, I'll find one of yours.

So Fireflyhalf or whatever you were called at the time was not banned from Crusaders til i die? It might have been a childish strop, akin to when you threw your toys out of your pram and turned your back on rugby league. I think you actually came on here whinging about it at the time. We'll pretend that did not happen and you did not reappear as Grendel.

I am quite flattered in being called the first Super League hooligan for our club. I was left in the ground at that game, unlike the Hull fan that started the trouble straight after one of our tries, as well as attending all of our games for the rest of that season. All of the other games went trouble free, even the away game at Hull, hardly the wave of terror you paint me to be ay? I have discussed the trouble at the game with the chief steward about it afterwards. Not bad going for a hooligan don't you think?

I did not see the Ali Lautiti incident, even though you seem to have been stood alongside me judging the colour I was going. I actually stayed around after the game and spoke to Adam Peek, even congratulated Danny McGuire on his performance on the walk back to the club house. You were probably at home hatching your plan for revenge so wouldn't have noticed this. I was discussing the game in the club house with people who actually wanted to speak to me.

Thanks for bringing my girlfriend into it and the personal insults in the kit thread. I'll get the medium shirt next season as I did last. You must be mixing me up with people, maybe yourself, if you think I need any extra large sizes.

Have a good day and don't let that anti rugby league bitterness eat you up fella. It really is not good for you.

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=406129 Here you are Chris, complaining about the moderators. Your son appears in response to it so I'm not the only one who has family members backing me up. Imagine that, people within your family attending games and sharing the same interests. It seems you had trouble from the moderators on the BBC website too. It seems a lot of people take a dislike to you don't they. I wonder why that is? Funnily enough you stop using the firefly-half account in May 2009 and start using Grendel a few months later. No doubt you will now make up a new name for me or the other people you have insulted and repost. You will make out that I am some kind of fat monster with a fear for conventional turnstiles. Do what you like. I'll be watching rugby league this coming season, you can sit at home slagging people off and getting eaten up by bitterness, I know what I'd prefer. I thought you had gone as your poorly constructed signature strip indicates. Keep popping in from time to time though, it really is comedy gold. You're hysterical.

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=406129 Here you are Chris, complaining about the moderators. Your son appears in response to it so I'm not the only one who has family members backing me up. Imagine that, people within your family attending games and sharing the same interests. It seems you had trouble from the moderators on the BBC website too. It seems a lot of people take a dislike to you don't they. I wonder why that is? Funnily enough you stop using the firefly-half account in May 2009 and start using Grendel a few months later. No doubt you will now make up a new name for me or the other people you have insulted and repost. You will make out that I am some kind of fat monster with a fear for conventional turnstiles. Do what you like. I'll be watching rugby league this coming season, you can sit at home slagging people off and getting eaten up by bitterness, I know what I'd prefer. I thought you had gone as your poorly constructed signature strip indicates. Keep popping in from time to time though, it really is comedy gold. You're hysterical.

I'll just laugh at your posts or ignore them from now on as you're like a broken record. You simply do not deserve any recognition.

I am concerned though as to what is lacking in your life to turn up so often on a forum of a game you have turned your back on. You then choose to pick arguments with people, as you know I'm not the only one, in threads regarding a club that you have washed your hands with. Believe me I'm not the only one who thinks that is a little strange. Then again if the cap fits....

I am the clubs original hooligan after all.

I'll be ignoring him from now on so no more play ground squabbling from me. I do reserve the right to laugh if it is a particularly stupid post like his attempt at a signature, I deserve some pleasures in life.

In the meantime I have a Super League of utter carnage to plan.

I'm going to knock a pie out of a pensioners hand at Wigan, nick somebody's wig at the challenge cup final and that is just the start. Run for your lives.

That's the equivalent of pulling a tiger’s tail.



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It's ok I'm going to check she's got no teeth first. I'm not a mad man.

If she has a pie in her hand, she'll have her teeth in.

Sounds a bit on top, think I need to replan. The pies at Wigan will not, I repeat will not be harmed.

*I would like to stress that no pies were harmed during the course of this thread.

How about knocking a chip off a Widnesian’s shoulder?

You and I know that is a thankless task and virtually impossible to achieve.



All water under the bridge now though.

It is for most of us.

You'll be in next season regardless. Still a bit of spice to the fixture if we're still about though.

Local derby now, innit.

Yeah, just wish it was a bit local to myself. A much better set up though so don't mind travelling. You'll have a good time at Wrexham.

Get a room

Spread the love. This will all change once the season starts.

I expect it to continue until 13th February next year at the precise moment when Willie Mason knocks out Sean Long.