|
 |
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 14970 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2021 | Nov 2021 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
There is no viable excuse from Wigan. The regulations are on the website. It’s easy.
They tried to hide it and got caught. Simple.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 2794 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2013 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jun 2023 | Jun 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Wigg'n"Is it just me that finds it strange that "agents fees and a flight allowance" are considered part of the salary cap?'"
Why ?
I am in receipt of both car & fuel allowance, upon which I am taxed as earnings & it is automatically declared by my employer, flights or agents fees apply to the SC whether they suit Wigans agenda or not ! |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 6903 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2015 | 10 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Why ?
I am in receipt of both car & fuel allowance, upon which I am taxed as earnings & it is automatically declared by my employer, flights or agents fees apply to the SC whether they suit Wigans agenda or not !'"
Do you get anything in brown envelopes? |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 5086 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2005 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2022 | Nov 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1277 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 17325 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2008 | 17 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="ThePrinter"I’d add that a good reason why a points deduction is fair is because as Wigan admit in their club statement, they were over the cap for 22 weeks out of a 36 week season.
They argue they shouldn’t get a deduction because they didn’t reach the playoffs or win the cup.....however they did effect others not doing so.
Leneghan points out “Wigan gained no competitive advantage during this period of breach losing six games in succession at one stage.”.....the week after that sixth loss they beat Warrington in the cup QF, a few weeks later Salford in the SF, both denying them the chance to get to Wembley whilst they’ll surely have been over the cap.
They finished 3 points ahead of 9th placed Warrington before the Super 8’s. They’ll have picked up more than 3 league points in that 22 week period.
Very self absorbed for Wigan to just look at what they didn’t achieve that they forget what they stopped others achieving. They got a £2,500 fine....I’m sure they earned a lot more by reaching Wembley and being runners up and not playing Middle 8 fixtures which will have hit attendances thus profits.'"
Great post.
Plus...they gained an advantage because had they got the -2 awarded last season things would have been different for Castleford in the S8s with favourable fixtures. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 11412 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2010 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2021 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="rubber duckie"Great post.
Plus...they gained an advantage because had they got the -2 awarded last season things would have been different for Castleford in the S8s with favourable fixtures.'"
I don’t have an issue with it not being applied in 2018 as timewise the ‘mistake’ wouldn’t have been noticed early enough when checking their figures.
What will be interesting though is if when their 2018 figures are checked that if they haven’t made the same ‘mistake’ then clearly they realised what they did wrong in 2017, corrected it but DIDN’T inform the RFL of their error with their 2017 numbers and hoped the RFL wouldn’t notice. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Captain | 1185 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2016 | 9 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
"They argue they shouldn’t get a deduction because they didn’t reach the playoffs or win the cup"
WTF
well what if they had won something
they must know that there'd be some kind of penalty
it takes so long for these things to come to light, I guess they figure, who's gonna care months after the fact, they win it, bask in the glory and benefit from the financial rewards at the time, the consequences are just bridges to be crossed in the future.
is there any real deterrent from doing it every year
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Captain | 4308 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2018 | 6 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="atomic"Do you get anything in brown envelopes?'"
I get an account of what I owe to HMRC, unfortunately. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 2794 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2013 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jun 2023 | Jun 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="atomic"Do you get anything in brown envelopes?'"
I wish mate, maybe I wouldn't be scratching around for pennies if I did ! |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 17983 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2011 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Very strange comments there, very strange.
There doesnt seem too much doubt that they broke the rules and there is nothing wrong with that news becoming public.
Faire enough, if they hadn't done anything wrong then, it's a non story and the world would have just continued turning.
Should someone in Elstone's position not be impartial and wait for any appeal to be lodged before passing comment.
Something along the lines of "we will follow the laid down procedures and if Wigan appeal the ruling then we will consider their case further".
He is effectively telling us that they have done no wrong. Perhaps he already knows the outcome of the appeal, even though there hasn't been on lodged yet.
Sounds like the Wigan legal team will be running rings around the sport, AGAIN.
We could cancel the appeal and give them extra points for having dared to inconvenience them 
|
|
Very strange comments there, very strange.
There doesnt seem too much doubt that they broke the rules and there is nothing wrong with that news becoming public.
Faire enough, if they hadn't done anything wrong then, it's a non story and the world would have just continued turning.
Should someone in Elstone's position not be impartial and wait for any appeal to be lodged before passing comment.
Something along the lines of "we will follow the laid down procedures and if Wigan appeal the ruling then we will consider their case further".
He is effectively telling us that they have done no wrong. Perhaps he already knows the outcome of the appeal, even though there hasn't been on lodged yet.
Sounds like the Wigan legal team will be running rings around the sport, AGAIN.
We could cancel the appeal and give them extra points for having dared to inconvenience them
| |
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1277 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="wrencat1873"Very strange comments there, very strange.
There doesnt seem too much doubt that they broke the rules and there is nothing wrong with that news becoming public.
Faire enough, if they hadn't done anything wrong then, it's a non story and the world would have just continued turning.
Should someone in Elstone's position not be impartial and wait for any appeal to be lodged before passing comment.
Something along the lines of "we will follow the laid down procedures and if Wigan appeal the ruling then we will consider their case further".
He is effectively telling us that they have done no wrong. Perhaps he already knows the outcome of the appeal, even though there hasn't been on lodged yet.
Sounds like the Wigan legal team will be running rings around the sport, AGAIN.
We could cancel the appeal and give them extra points for having dared to inconvenience them
'"
It concerns me that he even thinks that, nevermind comment in public. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 17983 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2011 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Mr Dog"It concerns me that he even thinks that, nevermind comment in public.'"
If this were going to trial, Elstone would have just jeopardised the whole thing and very likely be found in contempt.
It's quite unbelievable for someone in his position to say such things.
Is he really in charge or are Lenagan and Mcmanus truly the puppet masters of our sport ? |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 9090 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Couple of years and Elstone will be gone IMO.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 310 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2010 | 15 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2021 | Sep 2020 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Are we still on this? Plus all he said was "i dont understand why its gone straight to a points deduction, and i dont understand the timing of the announcement".
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 7194 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2011 | 13 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2019 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
The rules are there and all the clubs know them there has to be a cut off point or what’s the point of having a salary cap
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 11412 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2010 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2021 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Angelus"Are we still on this? Plus all he said was "i dont understand why its gone straight to a points deduction, and i dont understand the timing of the announcement".'"
And he can ask those questions in private. Coming out and saying them in his position is poor and this along with the press conference he called with Lenegan, Moran and McManus at his side just makes him look like a puppet. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 17983 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2011 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Angelus"Are we still on this? Plus all he said was "i dont understand why its gone straight to a points deduction, and i dont understand the timing of the announcement".'"
No, he said that it shouldn't have been made public until after their appeal, which hasn't even been lodged
As for timing, these things usually come to light just before the start of the new season. Maybe this shouldn't be the case with the "live cap" but, there we have it. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 7586 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2011 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="fun time frankie"The rules are there and all the clubs know them there has to be a cut off point or what’s the point of having a salary cap'"
Pretty sure there used to be literal cut off points
<2% - fine
2-5% - 2 points
Etc
St Helens breached the salary cap in 2006 by 0.8% and were fined. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 5392 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Wigg'n"Pretty sure there used to be literal cut off points
<2% - fine
2-5% - 2 points
Etc
St Helens breached the salary cap in 2006 by 0.8% and were fined.'" and whats the decision for repeat offenders that still flout the rules, Bradford was rightly punished and cost them dearly |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 5392 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="wrencat1873"Very strange comments there, very strange.
There doesnt seem too much doubt that they broke the rules and there is nothing wrong with that news becoming public.
Faire enough, if they hadn't done anything wrong then, it's a non story and the world would have just continued turning.
Should someone in Elstone's position not be impartial and wait for any appeal to be lodged before passing comment.
Something along the lines of "we will follow the laid down procedures and if Wigan appeal the ruling then we will consider their case further".
He is effectively telling us that they have done no wrong. Perhaps he already knows the outcome of the appeal, even though there hasn't been on lodged yet.
Sounds like the Wigan legal team will be running rings around the sport, AGAIN.
We could cancel the appeal and give them extra points for having dared to inconvenience them
'" its more than shocking, its blatantly obvious which sides he's on,
he's just modern day lord Charles with Lenagan as Ray Allen |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 66 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2012 | 13 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2022 | Feb 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Strip them of the grand final and give it to the team that didn't cheat,
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1277 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Wigg'n"Pretty sure there used to be literal cut off points
<2% - fine
2-5% - 2 points
Etc
St Helens breached the salary cap in 2006 by 0.8% and were fined.'"
The punishment handed out takes into account all aspects of each case (including co-operation with the investigation, admission of guilt, previous offences, effect on the competition, degree of fault - intention to cheat, lack of remorse) and can range from a caution, a fine, deduction of (up to 20) points, restriction on registering new players to being thrown out of a competition (club) or a suspension from the sport (individual).
I think it's fair to say that Wigan won't have got many pluses in their favour on aggravating factors. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Captain | 4308 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2018 | 6 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Is this same two points that was handed out a couple of weeks ago, or is there another deduction?
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1277 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Is this same two points that was handed out a couple of weeks ago, or is there another deduction?'"
The same, although I wouldn't be surprised if they also broke the same rules last season which may not yet have come to light. |
|
|
|
|
|
'"
