I am puzzled by the use of the word misinformation......especially when used to describe information regarding League events......
A simple search (yeah....google) for War of the Roses RL......gives various sites that have loads of information regarding these games...from 1895 to 2003. The last game was apparently played at Bradford, not Leeds and the crowd was 8,258.
Now, I have never taken wiki as anything other than a guideline site, but I find it hard to comprehend that anyone other than a league fan would post all the attendances and scores for over 100 years.

As it is, I believe that Roses Series would be good for the International Game in England and infinitely more usefull than the yearly hammering of France. As for the Clubs not playing "ball' and releasing players.......I would suggest that if the games were considered a form of trial for potential England players, then the players themselves may well make themselves available. Crowds, whilst not massive, averaged just under 10k in the 4 games played in the Super League era......and given the average crowds for SL in 2010 were nearly 4,000 more than 2003, it would be fair to say that a roses series, with 3 matches played at Leigh, Huddersfield and Warrington would all come close to selling out.......
......those that would argue against more games for players.....player burn out should look at the current run of results between Australia and England/GB.......SOO doesn't seem to damage the crims too much when they have to "back up"........and it does offer their best players games of real intensity and passion.

The concept is clearly too difficult for you.

I think we need to get away from this roses concept and maybe move to playing France and non UK super league select team.

Or if you are going to use the roses concept then a 2 game and a final

featuring

Lancs, Yorks, cumbria and super league select.

nah....

england v other nationalities - 2 game series

&

england 'A' v france then wales as curtain raisers to the games above

St George's day would be ideal for something like that, but I fear it's too early in the season.

game 1 - when we'd normally play france

game 2 - when the 4th round of the challenge cup is, super league clubs enter into the challenge cup in the 5th round, the 5th round made up of the 14 SL clubs plus the 2 surviving clubs from the previous round...


simples

Why?

Why move away from a brand concept of several (hundered) years of history for something that has none? The whole point is to sell the game



Fine, but can we ditch the utterly, utterly meaningless "SL Select" as being meaningless, pointles and without any, well, point.

and just call it a tri-counties game.

Or replace Cumbria for an "other counties" team.

but lancashire,yorkshire & cumbria does'nt fit in with the nationwide demographic the RFL is aiming for....does it!

No, but its a start in building for a competative England team to actually stand a chance of competing with Aus and NZ, and if we dont do that, we will never expand.

Without the media coverage that [isuccesseful[/i international competition gets, we will never, ever break our boundaries.

Denying Championship, Championship 1 and possibly amateur sides a bumper pay day.

we won't build a competitve england team by having lancashire,yorkshire and cumbria play each other

The problem England face is being the dominant force in a relatively weak hemisphere.

Despite all their failings, they are still way ahead of all the teams they could reasonably stage a mid-season international against. The Kiwis have had more regular meetings with the Aussies in mid-season, more of their players moving into the NRL through the Warriors and other NRL clubs, all of which goes to provide them with more exposure to higher intensity competition.

Whatever you do on a representative level in the Northern hemisphere, it's still going to be with players facing up to the same standard of player they oppose week in, week out in SL. The standard or intensity is not going to be any higher than your average club game.

but having a team full of aussies & kiwis, ie the Other Nationalities, is'nt going to be the same level of intensity as a SL game is it...

Where are those Aussies and Kiwis playing at the moment?

so your saying they are'nt capable of upping their intensity level once they come here??

Why should they?

What's in it for them to risk potentially career ending injury playing in a meaningless practice match?

So by playing representative games we wont improve our performances...what do you suggest then?

Carrying on as we have since 1973?

i've proposed england v the other nationalities in a 2 games series......where have you been

why should any oveaseas player risk injury playing in a inferior comp?

Proposing a system that people might pay to watch...




Your system limits the number of potential England players on representative duty to 17, mine trebbles the number of potential England players to 17 for each team playing.

The Kiwis dont have Origin and they get along fine.
Look, this is all just smokescreens for the simple fact.

..wait for it...


..no really...

WE ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND OUR BEST ATHLETES PLAY OTHER SPORTS.

There, but then you all already knew that. Stop these silly ideas and once the stadiums are sorted pressure the licenses on finding the best young talent in the land. If I go ten miles south from my house IN THE HEARTLANDS nobody watches or plays league. Thousands of potential juniors.

actually i've proposed that england 'A' play france & wales as curtain raisers too....

we could even have england 'B' v ireland & scotland if you want too increase the england player pool...


either way lancs,yorks & cumbria defo is'nt the answer

Absolutely spot on for both points.

Kiwis don't invent North Island vs South Island games to prepare for winning the WC. Lack of "Origin" is not the root cause of our problem.

We don't even get first pick of the best athletes in the "heartlands", let alone the rest of the country.

UK rowing went out a few years ago and identified a bunch of massively tall, very fit blokes who'd never been in a boat in their life and offered them a shot at the 2012 olympics. I don't think the RFL could do something similar, but getting a lot more kids playing would be a big step in the right direction.

Of course, Dico.

There are no great athletes in rugby league in England.

lol

Theres not really no.
Hell we all went mad on kevin penny because he had pace and a swerve, never mind that he could do naff all else