To make the jump you need to be at least at the level that Widnes were in 2011 , they had just under 4,000 averages and had then attracted Steve O,Connor as a benefactor

There are no current Championship clubs at that level ,which would equate to the clubs you are reffering to ( apart from London of course ) in SL

Quite often Championship Clubs will base their potential SL income on overinflated numbers of away support, that isnt a viable business plan

Widnes are improving, but their attendances are poorer than I expected.

Hopefully, they will get to averaging 8k a season and make a real impact in SL this season.

My point exactly, it is nigh on impossible to build a fan base bouncing around the bottom of SL for a few years ,to be trapped into a licence needs long term substantial financial support, with relegation you do have a ' safety valve ' to prevent too much damage

Aye that safety valve of cutting income massively, destroying your squad, and cutting your attendance. That should prevent too much damage. Mainly because it pretty much destroys everything so there is that much left to damage.

The SL clubs havent voted to bring back P+R.

HTH

But if they decided they didnt want it?

There are examples of it causing damage, and of it not, that like lots of things is down to individual clubs, pin everything on constant success and you are setting yourself up to struggle at some point

They would need to split from the RFL. Which they could do.
Realistically they don’t need to though, the big clubs are in a win/win situation. Bare minimum they get a few years of more big games for the next few years. If it works brilliant, if it doesn’t, Wood, RImmer and Co will be out on their s, the SL clubs can seize control of the RFL, and the smaller clubs will have fallen so far behind that when SL is cut to a ringfenced 10 no-one will complain. There is no downside, why do you think the message from everyone seems to be we don’t want this but it is happening?

Leigh 28 Wigan 36, att: 2988

Bulls 30 Hull FC 18 (24-0 HT)

30 - 0 until about 10 minutes to go and the Bulls threw in a number of younger lads which allowed Hull to get 3 quick consolation tries

North Wales Crusaders 10 Widnes 40

I'm not sure why the last three clowns have posted the friendly scores. This topic is for whinging about anything except friendlies.

Yet you fail to mention hull played numerous youngsters against a strong bulls team

Dissaponting the way we played, unlucky to have a good try ruled out, held up 4 times over the line, good defence by bradford, you only looked like scoring twice in the second half, we still some work to do in stopping the offoads that killed us

Bulls have a settled 6 & 7 from last seaon, it looked like radford was trying to decide who he wants start of the season in the halves

Friendlies mean nothing. Saints smashed Hudds last year and then 2 weeks later in the league we got torn to pieces

Cas 62-6 York.

Carney had a hat trick within half an hour, young sneyd showed up well. Thought York battled well especially during minutes 30-55 ish winning that spell of the game 6-0.

Cas 62-6 York.

Carney had a hat trick within half an hour, young sneyd showed up well. Thought York battled well especially during minutes 30-55 ish winning that spell of the game 6-0.

Exactly. I like a good old friendly 'hit out' but perspective needed.

Fev 30 Halifax 12

Bring on cas next week!

If Cas can keep Carney fi and suspension free, i can see them finishing 9/10 this year. The guys the most exciting back i've seen for a while. Think Sneyd could be a very clever signing for you guys. Always been impressed by him.

Can't argue with that. The big guy notched 21 tries in 20 games last year, we need him on the field every week. Fev away and Bradford away next up for us, 2 very tough games but hopefully we will take a bit from them.

Seen as this post changed to a"championship clubs can't attract a crowd" or words to this affect after the Fev v Wakey crowd last week... Just like to point out 2472 at Odslum for Bradford v Hull today!!

I've also tipped Cas as my outsider this year. If any "unexpected" side is going to make the 8 then it will be them.

I can see that Donkey Radford getting them relegated next year

Catalans 16-12 London

hull derby tomorrow. both chairmen have been trying their best to hype up the game this week but i can't really get very excited about it. can't read anything into it. last 2 friendlies rovers have won easily yet we easily finished above them in league on both occasions. and won the competitive derbies 2-1. rovers players suffered injuries in this game last season, let's hope both teams get through unscathed this time