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seriously.....an apology....




Are you 5yrs old? Really...you are starting to post like a 5yr old.
What the fu&k is the issue with you lot.
What happened in France was wrong.....but then again, if you look at what happened in concentration camps I think it might put it into context for you.
So what if someone was asked to leave a Union club....fu&k 'em. Was it the only place to have a beer that night?

Banned from playing Union.......for a bunch of anti-unionites you really are a bit dim. Surely that's a benefit, not a sanction

I couldn’t have put it better. Although I think that an apology is warranted, but it’s not urgent. In the next decade we’ll probably see both games coming more closer together like Leeds Rhinos and Leeds Tykes have. I’d rather see progress like that than a shame a thon for ever more.

I'm sorry but who are you to question what I have personally been through.
If you don't believe me that's your problem but tell me if I was lying about this why would I be so anti-union.
I have read up on the history of the conflicts between our game and theirs and it is quite eye opening you should try it sometime.

Whilst History is important and we should never forget where we come from or what has happened on the way......if I am honest, the battle between the 2 codes is about as interesting as watching paint dry.
Yes....RU was the bad boy.....but unless you live in the south West of France, what the vichy government did isn't really going to change your life is it?
If it is...then I suggest you stay away from all history books because in most of them, someone is shi77ing on someone else.

As I have said with regard to your personal experience.....what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but there is no strength to be had from bitterness. As for sanctions........and I do like this reasoning......if the worst the RFU/IRB can do is ban you from playing Union, then surely that's a benefit..not a punishment.

I am a convert to League. I still watch Union, but don't go out of my way to do so.....unlike League, which I will watch at most levels. The point is, I don't have any problem with any sport...why should I? Life is too short cj........just rejoice in the fact that you like TGG........and let union look after itself.

GF you come across usually as a decent fella and poster but until you have actually been through what a lot of RL fans have in the past how can you possibly comment on what has happened.
I am not saying that all union fans are from the spawn of Satan but I have come across some right nasty characters from the so called game they play in heaven who hate the game that I love with a passion.

so what? Let 'em hate I say......just smile in the knowledge that the game you love is far superior to Union.

Jesus, if the southern hemishperes Unions know this...they keep changing the rules to make Union better and the only difference between the codes now is the line out......the scrums (that will soon change....they can't continue to have 3 resets every time they pack down) and the mauls. Rucks are cleared pretty quickly now...and the ball sometimes recycled faster than it takes a leage PTB to complete.

In time, the 2 games will resemble each other more and more and it's not League that will be changing.

Now I've read your original post again and again and unless I am missing the point or I have developed some disgusting eye condition that makes me unable to read terrible experiences I can't see what the problem is.

You are basing your entire irrational hatred of Rugby Union on the sole fact that you were allegedly asked to leave a Rugby Union clubhouse for the sole reason that you had played Rugby League?

I'm not suggesting for one moment that you are imagining this (well ok, maybe I am just a little).

But even if it DID happen it's hardly a reason to despise the 15 man code to such an extent that you have created a username on an RL web forum to reflect what may or may not have happened?

I'm sorry CJ.

Either you are imagining this whole thing or in the unlikely event it DID happen there must have been some other reason why you were allegedly asked to leave this Rugby Union clubhouse.


But in any case it's not like you were abducted by Johnny Wilkinson and Brian O'Driscoll and were held captive for 24 years in a condominium-style apartment complex built by Martin Johnson in the basement area of Twickenham is it?

That's what happened to us London Bronco fans........only 18 more years in captivity to go for those who didn't escape like me

Who’s for putting cjhatesunion on a unusual phobias episode of The Maury Povich Show?

Maury could take him to the very scene where this incident happened 15 years ago. It’d make good TV and I’m sure it’ll bring the two codes closer together.

union has a terrible history. its something they and their fans should be ashamed about

anybody with a conscience would feel troubled by it

unions history is one of lies, deceit and benefits from ring wing / facist regimes

they arent even called tykes anymore are they?





and let me know how succesful leeds carnegie are? pitiful crowds, nobody is interested in them

when given the chance to watch RU at club level most RL fans reject it

OK dally messenger...I think that whilst you have a smattering of knowledge regarding Rugby League that you have read in books that are pretty much written by Rugby League journalists, you are in need of a Geography lesson as well as a couple of pointers on the state of Rugby League in the UK when compared to Union
[size=150Geography:[/sizeBelow is a map showing you the area that covers the majority of the RL concentration in the UK. Please study this as it will give you a better idea of how "local" the game is. Whilst there is a senior team in London, the welsh team is now just off the end of the M62 corridor....therefore, the opportunity to watch RU for RL fans is limited to Quins RU in London, Sale in Manchester and Leeds in....er...leeds. You will see that the M62 concentration is pretty much as it has been for over 100 years.......so your dreams of world domination...whilst funny....have no chance of coming to fruition in our lifetime OR IN REALITY, ANYONE ELSES LIFETIME




In reality dally messenger...as much as you would like to think Union is a sick puppy waiting to be put down, it is in fact quite a healthy sport. The recent attendances for games at Twickenham which were part of the regular season show that the UK public will turn up. Wasps and Quins are to play a game in the UAE in the near future......which I am sure will do well attendance wise. As with most sporting clubs in the UK, there are financial issues, but in general, Union is still streets ahead of League.

The kicker to this: I am a Rugby League fan. I converted in 2002 and I only post things like this to try and educate you on the error of your ways. I am sure the Union troll brigade will pop up again, but as usual, there will be no decent counter argument.
IMO, RL needs to concentrate on its own game...ignore what the IRB/RFU do (unless there are ideas worth nicking) and try to continue to grow the game slowly.......

You can't help yourself can you.
Personally I don't give two flying f...s if you believe me or not,that's your problem.
As if I could imagine this up,just go and jump off a cliff or a bridge will you.

To come back on the subject I think you will find that there has been quite a few people been banned from ever playing RU again because he has dared to try out a game of RL.
I think you will find this is where my loathing of the other code comes from.

GF you do realise that RL at an amateur level is played more or less all over the country.
You should look up the RFL Summer Confefence.

cj....the secondary school I attended in Dublin was formed in 1830 and has been situated where it is now since 1835. 2009/2010 saw the centenary of Rugby Union being played as the schools main sport.

Traditionally, most of the pupils at the school were drawn from rural areas, the sons of wealthy farmers etc....this proved problematic as from 1902 to 1971, the GAA banned anyone from playing their games (Hurling, Gaelic Football, Handball) if they also played an "English" sport. As a result, all pupils of the school were banned from playing sports in their home towns unless their happened to be a Union club near by.

Although the ban was lifted in 1971, it was 22 years later that the first ever school pupil was selected to play GAA Football for his county........and even then, the selection committee of coach, manager and three priests

put that lad through the wringer with a 90 minute interview which felt more like an interigation.......I know...because I was there!

Point is people were being shot for association with English games.........even in 1983 I was given a hard time for playing Union, but guess what...I played Gaelic Football because I enjoyed it. I even gave hurling a bash (mad game...like pub closing time with sticks). I resented the hassle I got, but didn't tar everyone I met with the same brush. To this day, the GAA bans anyone who is a member of the British Armed Forces.......something that I totally disagree with....but I don't tar everyone I know who plays GAA sports with that brush.

YES....Union has been at fault in the past and yes, some idiots will still act in a biggoted way.....but I still say that of all the Union people I know, players, administrators and fans, none have ever said anything or acted in a way that would make me feel the hatred that you do. If I did, I would want the GAA to fold.....I'd want the FA to fold because of the hassle I get for refusing to watch soccer...it is a sport and I am not afraid to tell anyone (bet that doesn't shock you)...I'd want Union buried because more people play it here in NZ or in the UK than League...and don't get me started on Golf! As for horse racing...that's not even a sport. It's just an excuse to give short people jobs.....and they exclude fatties from participating....fascists



Stop worrying about Union....it has a whole set of problems al to itself...just celebrate the fact that you are a fan of the TGG...a far superior code of football.

I think you'll find (if you re-read the post) that I was responding to this:


I am full aware of the amateur set up in the UK.....but alas, fans don't really roll up for those games in any numbers and dally messenger was referring to the professional game.

Ok mate fair enough but let's hope RL gets it's house in order so we can eventually take over the so called game played in heaven.

Not sure about you....but hide the salami with a bevy of playboy bunnies is the game I WANT PLAYED IN HEAVEN!

Can't argue with you on this one GF.
Personally I would rather have Kate Beckinsale and Sarah Harding(Girls Aloud) with the salami.

Anyway GF will the game take off in NZ.
If the AB's fail to win the RU World Cup what effect will this have on union in NZ.
Will RL be able to exploit this.

The game is very popular here. Most people I speak to who are ardent Union fans (My CEO is a Crusaders Man) have no problem watching League as they don't feel threatened by it. There are audiences available to both codes here.....it is up to NZRL to push ahead with their plans.
One of the biggest stumbling blocks is the games association (by proxy) with gang violence. This needs to be crushed, as the bad press it gets (and we know who controls the press when it comes to the codes) does the game no favours. See starbug for some mongrel mob based stories.........



Hard to say. I think that the pain of "not winning" for so many years has lessened each time, but this year they are at Home.....and I believe that the public will turn on the AB's even more, unless there's another Australian Ref to blame for it



...maybe...it depends on how they do it.
If for example, the AB'S choke again and the NZRL were to insist that the Warriors take 7 games on the road in 2013, I would market the games as NZ's premiere Rugby Team....the code where we are world champions! This would be a tad rich for some at NZRL (it was when I mentioned in last months meeting

) but I believe that it would also attract more fans to the game.

Bottom line is that regardles of the result later this year, NZRL have a plan.......it doesn't involve the NRL.....but they would welcome a second team in the comp. Surely...if the broadcasters are after a bigger market share of the ad revenue, murdoch could afford to back another franchise in NZ.......oops...have I said too much


Let's see how negotiations for the new NRL TV deal go shall we.......you never know what conditions may crop up

To be fair, and to generalise, RU thrives best at professional premiership level in places where no other professional sport distracts the paying spectators, it doesn't do too well in Newcastle or Sale either, it does thrive in Bath, Gloucester, Northampton, etc - I'll ignore Leicester for the sake of this argument and the London clubs don't exactly set the world on fire.

There is also the more specific issue at Leeds of how the club was formed from two very well known and previously well respected Leeds amateur teams, neither of which were best pleased at having lost both of their identities (and their premises) in the merger and forming of the Leeds RUFC. you'll find that the Leeds club promote their home games extensively throughout the Yorkshire region to amateur RU clubs (I got a freebie from our local RU club without even asking for one for the double header RU/RL game on New Years Day) but, the important point - those local RU clubs barely support them at all.

Its really strange because offer any amateur RL club the chance to sell tickets at a profit or to have free tickets to any SL match and they will snatch your arm off - they can barely even give the tickets away for the RU team.

… and only one of them is in London - hence London Irish, based in Reading, being knows as affectionately, or contemptuously, as The Not Nots (not London, not Irish)


However, this has gone far off the original topic into a discussion of rugby union. And we know where those take place don't we boys and girls?