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| Tomkins has been poor all season, I'd put Ratchford in, seems Tomkins is named by default no metter what
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| Quote ="rover49"Tomkins has been poor all season, I'd put Ratchford in, seems Tomkins is named by default no metter what'"
No Shaul? Arguably been the standout fullback this season.
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| we say pick on form, and then there are still the usual suspects in the side
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"we say pick on form, and then there are still the usual suspects in the side'"
It's a balance.
Just because a player goes well at club level doesn't mean they will perform in an international.
Whatever we may think, playing against Aussie or New Zealand is a whole different prospect to playing Widnes or Salford and when players have already proved themselves at the higher level, they will always be ahead of a good player who hasn't played at international level.
Having said that, Bennett needs to be thinking about the next world cup and making sure some "new blood" is coming through and not just go with established players.
It will be interesting to see who gets the jerseys.
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| Quote ="wakey_saint"Based on what?
The Saints pack this year hasnt been great in comparison to others, and even playing on the back of a beaten pack/slow ruck Roby has been outstanding yet again.
Interesting when you compare his season stats with Houghton (for example) who is no doubt higher up your pecking order for the England 9 shirt and touted as a MOS candidate:
Defending:
Houghton 1130/56 misses, 95% tackles made
Roby 962/31 misses, 97% tackles made
Attacking:
Houghton 230 carries, 1448 metres, 6.3m avg gain, 32 tackle busts, 3 clean breaks, 7 tries
Roby 294 carries, 2201 metres, 7.4m avg gain, 41 tackle busts, 7 clean breaks, 4 tries
Whilst Houghton has made more tackles, Roby still managed an impressive amount with less misses on average. With ball in hand, Roby is far better & offers far more than Houghton. When you bear in mind Houghton has played on the back of the best pack in SL (don't really recall seeing Hull's forward pack not on top many times this season) and their go forward I would have expected more with the ball from Houghton. Don't get me wrong I think Houghton is a very good player, but still not ahead of Roby (same opinion currently of Daryl Clark).
Imo the 2 England hookers should still be Hodgson and Roby interchanging'"
Houghton has 17 try assists. Roby has 3.
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| My team would be:
Tomkins
McGillavray
Watkins
Currie
Hall
Williams/Sneyd
Gale
Hill
Hodgson
Graham
Bateman
Whitehead
S.Burgess
G.Burgess
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Walmsley
Roby
That is a big back line. The wingers need to be big to start the sets off out of backfield with Tomkins not wanting to run it in. Big pack too
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| Liam Watts this season and last, has been seriously unlucky not to get a look in at the England camp due to our amount of quality in the front row. Yet again he's been outstanding for Hull.
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| Quote ="DannyB"Houghton has 17 try assists. Roby has 3.'"
And has kicked 2 40/20's
Of the SL based hookers, Clarke is probably the most likely to change a game, Houghton is consistency personified. Roby, on this seasons showings should be behind these 2.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"
Having said that, Bennett needs to be thinking about the next world cup and making sure some "new blood" is coming through and not just go with established players.
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We're always thinking about the next tournament. Wanting to select potential. To ''build things''.
What would be the best prep for the world cup? Actually beating austrailia in a tournament. Select the best possible team, the one with the best chance of winning, regardless of age or potential availability for the world cup, and think about the world cup when it's the world cup.
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| Graham, Sam, Hodgson, Whitehead are the only players in good form in the NRL.
The Morris twins and Hodkinson would be farcical.
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| I don't see the point in picking players like Roby, or Kevin Brown for that matter. Whether or not they are the best players this year is irrelevant in terms of the bigger picture - can they be expected to be this good come RLWC2017? This tournament is important but surely building for the World Cup has to be the goal. The younger generation need the experience of playing these big games. And lets face it, these old heads have failed repeatedly on the international scene for their whole careers.
Hodgson and Clark as hookers for me. Hodgson to play some back row / half-back to maximise the time of both on the field.
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| All fit it would include Manfreidi, however
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| All fit it would include Manfreidi, however
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S Burgess
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"My team would be:
Tomkins
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Currie
Hall
Williams/Sneyd
Gale
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Graham
Bateman
Whitehead
S.Burgess
G.Burgess
Taylor
Walmsley
Roby
That is a big back line. The wingers need to be big to start the sets off out of backfield with Tomkins not wanting to run it in. Big pack too'"
I'm a Wire fan, so an admirer of Ben Currie, but cannot understand why we would consider playing him or anyone else out of position. Currie has played at centre occasionally for Wire, but only occasionally. Why put him up against experienced, international quality centres in a big tournament, where his [ilack [/iof experience will be shown up? Bateman last year did a solid job in the same circumatances, but solid isn't going to cut it if we're trying to beat Aus or NZ.
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| 1. Tomkins
2. McGilvary
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. Widdopp
7. Hodgkinson
8. Graham
9. Hodgson
10. G Burgess
11. Cooper
12. Westwood
13. S Burgess
14. Roby/Clarke
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"1. Tomkins
2. McGilvary
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. Widdopp
7. Hodgkinson
8. Graham
9. Hodgson
10. G Burgess
11. Cooper
12. Westwood
13. S Burgess
14. Roby/Clarke
15. Hill
16. Whitehead
17. O'Loughlin'"
That's a laughable 17.
Let's not okay foreigners, Hill on the bench, Cooper and Westwood as back rowers and SOL on the
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| Quote ="meast"Moon??'"
He is the best centre out of those that qualify for England.
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McGilvery
Watkins
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Gurges
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| Dependant on if your picking your team on this years form or based over the last 3 years . Josh Hodgsons had one good year and people are making him out to be the next Can Smith , wouldn't even say he's the best Englishman at the raiders
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| 01. Jamie Shaul.
02. Ryan Hall.
03. Kallum Watkins
04. John Bateman.
05. Jermaine McGilvray.
06. Luke Gale.
07. Mark Sneyd.
08. Chris Hill.
09. Danny Houghton.
10. Scott Taylor.
11. Joe Westerman.
12. Ben Currie.
13. Sean O'Loughlin.
I am seriously at a loss for quality centres based on this year, or most years inf act. Watkins is only in there for what he COULD do and I literally had to move Bateman out of second row and into the centre spot because nobody else could do a job there as well as he could OUT of position. I'll also get called out for the inclusion of that whole back row but they are all big, tough defensive players with fantastic hands with the ball, so I don't see a weakness there at all. Bear in mind this team is selected off of no knowledge of the NRL this year. I'd rather put in players I've watched than names who are plying their trade elsewhere.
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| Well, Hodgson and the Raiders came up against Cam Smith the other week. And who had the last laugh then?
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| Quote ="Legends and Icons"Dependant on if your picking your team on this years form or based over the last 3 years . Josh Hodgsons had one good year and people are making him out to be the next Can Smith , wouldn't even say he's the best Englishman at the raiders'"
We are blessed with some fine hookers right now but imo there isn't even a debate who should be getting the 9 shirt this autumn.
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| Quote ="moto748"Well, Hodgson and the Raiders came up against Cam Smith the other week. And who had the last laugh then?'"
Like I said ONE good season . do you think he's Better than Cam Smith ?
Iirc Smith is well clear of him in the Daily M too
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"We are blessed with some fine hookers right now but imo there isn't even a debate who should be getting the 9 shirt this autumn.'"
My question was are we picking the team on this seasons form ? If so its 100% Hodgson and Houghton , if its over the last 3 years its a different story
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