Palea'asina is an impact player though.

Do you reckon he's got the kind of stamina that James Graham and Jamie Peacock have. If he has, an 80 minute prop can be a massive asset.

Quote ="Scorpions for SL"Try doing a bit of research t www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 32,00.html'" Sorry t. besides that though why do we need him to play RL,how much money would it cost to sign him.

Quote ="Scorpions for SL"Try doing a bit of research t www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 32,00.html'" Sorry t. besides that though why do we need him to play RL,how much money would it cost to sign him.

I get which angle you are coming from on this CJ, I hate Union too. But Wales need good players and Crusaders need Welsh players, if he can do it, sign him. It's good media, good for RL in my opinion. I just wish I could find out what he's like without Barry McKenzie butting in!

He's an inch shorter than Peacock and a stone and a half heavier. That is fact. I wasn't saying he was unfit but he isn't as fit as the elite props in the league. If we're paying elite prop wages than that is what I want. Why wouldn't I want it if we're paying enough money to have one.

That's like buying a car that costs the same as a ferrari but runs like a fiesta. Put bluntly if you wanted performance you wouldn't buy it.

Can you explain how Powell brings fans into the ground bearing in mind the Welsh union fans will already have read about the Crusaders and been alerted to the club when Alfie signed?

Do you not think that if they sign good union players it will show they are serious?

Who, the club or the player?

Powell will be coming here for money, nothing less nothing more. If he loved the game then he would be here now as Wigan offered him a decent deal to play rugby league a year or so back.

The club are very serious but I think they are going about it the wrong way. Gimmicky union signings might create a bit of a stir initially but when we're not getting the wins the fans will fade away. Top quality rugby league players will get the team winning and a winning team is the best publicity and marketing any club can do bar none.

That said, if we sign him I'll support him as I will all the other lads in the shirt.

I just feel we could spend the money, and achieve more using it, more wisely.

I see your point, you're probably right. A really good Super League star would probably be better for the club. It's quite hard from the outside looking in at what's good for a newer club when you support a heartlands team.

No Welsh player we would have signed could have caused more media interest than Gareth Thomas, maybe Henson, and we have been there and done that. The crowds have faded down to around 4,000 hardcore and dropped away with our performance levels. What I am asking fans of the club is do we want another union signing that will create a minor percentage of the media interest that Alfie did or do we want to strengthen the team with a top quality signing that will not be learning the game for the rest of the season and will improve the team definitely as a result of his signing. To me it is a no brainer.

And before we get the he played rugby league until he was fourteen. I did a lot of things until I was 14. It doesn't mean I can go back and be world class now and world class is what I would expect for the money we'd be paying.

Well said mate.What Crusaders and the Scorpions need to do is keep on trying to get the Welsh youngsters interested in our game and i know some people will say that if the Crusaders sign RU players kids will stand up and take notice but not necessarily so we just need development staff in say Wrexham and the surrounding areas and yes i know the Scorpions are bringing young welsh talent through and long may it continue.

Quote ="crucrucrusaders" Powell will be coming here for money, nothing less nothing more. If he loved the game then he would be here now as Wigan offered him a decent deal to play rugby league a year or so back. '" Why do you think any player comes over from the NRL to play in super league? For the weather? Do you want them all out of the Crusaders club? And do you seriously think the Crusaders will be giving him a pay rise? Do you realise how much international RU players earn? Here is a link to what England players get. Wales will be slightly lower but not too far of this mark. £12000 for a win £8000 for a loss this is on top of club salaries www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 133525.ece

Quote ="crucrucrusaders" Powell will be coming here for money, nothing less nothing more. If he loved the game then he would be here now as Wigan offered him a decent deal to play rugby league a year or so back. '" Why do you think any player comes over from the NRL to play in super league? For the weather? Do you want them all out of the Crusaders club? And do you seriously think the Crusaders will be giving him a pay rise? Do you realise how much international RU players earn? Here is a link to what England players get. Wales will be slightly lower but not too far of this mark. £12000 for a win £8000 for a loss this is on top of club salaries www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 133525.ece

So you think after one signing and being in the papers for a week, everyone in North Wales now knows all about the Crusaders and the new sport of rugby league. This shows your a moron, you dont think media coverage is important to a new club in a new region for the game.

The fridge was a pro athlete and not fit enough to do anything. The reiging yokozuna is a pro athlete too!

Am I the moron here or is it not you who started a Scorpions for Super League thread?
Scorpions who are just over 6 months old and are currently mid table in a league two leagues lower than Super League.

Now there is a moron taking part in this debate and I know who my money is on.

So let's have facts here -

Andy Powell would command a wage of a top rugby league player but has no guarantee of becoming a top league player.
He would need time to learn the game and not hit the ground running.
He would create less media interest than the Gareth Thomas transfer.
He had a chance to play rugby league but turned Wigan down as there was not enough money offered.

Do you think this is the player we need to sign in our current situation SFSL?

So after being shown up in this debate and being owned with no reply you have taken to attacking my username



Yes I think Scorpions should have a five year plan to get into super league. Theres a thread for that debate. Lets get back to this topic and why dont you try and reply to what I have said?

Quote ="crucrucrusaders"So let's have facts here - Andy Powell would command a wage of a top rugby league player but has no guarantee of becoming a top league player. He would need time to learn the game and not hit the ground running. He would create less media interest than the Gareth Thomas transfer. He had a chance to play rugby league but turned Wigan down as there was not enough money offered. '" Not one of those is actually a fact. They are your opinion, which is based on your personal bias and pathetic phobia of rugby union. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/fact

Quote ="crucrucrusaders"So let's have facts here - Andy Powell would command a wage of a top rugby league player but has no guarantee of becoming a top league player. He would need time to learn the game and not hit the ground running. He would create less media interest than the Gareth Thomas transfer. He had a chance to play rugby league but turned Wigan down as there was not enough money offered. '" Not one of those is actually a fact. They are your opinion, which is based on your personal bias and pathetic phobia of rugby union. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/fact

Quote ="Scorpions for SL"So after being shown up in this debate and being owned with no reply you have taken to attacking my username Yes I think Scorpions should have a five year plan to get into super league. Theres a thread for that debate. Lets get back to this topic and why dont you try and reply to what I have said?'" How have you shown me up? I have not had a go at your user name but the thread you started and showed yourself up in numerous times. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=457662&start=0 The debate is buy a top class existing rugby league player/spend the money on youth development or get Andy Powell on board. I think the first option is the best. You keep coming out with random things like Powell is paid loads in union and it isn't about money. Why did he speak to Wigan then and why did he turn them down? I couldn't care what you think to be honest. I know what I think and want what is best for Crusaders. That for me would be a proven rugby league player and consistent performer. To you the best option is a union player that will take time to learn the game and may never make the grade. Both would cost the same and opinions differ, that's life. Oh and if you're at a loss as to who the moron is here read the Scorpions thread you started again. That more than clears it up.

Quote ="Scorpions for SL"So after being shown up in this debate and being owned with no reply you have taken to attacking my username Yes I think Scorpions should have a five year plan to get into super league. Theres a thread for that debate. Lets get back to this topic and why dont you try and reply to what I have said?'" How have you shown me up? I have not had a go at your user name but the thread you started and showed yourself up in numerous times. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=457662&start=0 The debate is buy a top class existing rugby league player/spend the money on youth development or get Andy Powell on board. I think the first option is the best. You keep coming out with random things like Powell is paid loads in union and it isn't about money. Why did he speak to Wigan then and why did he turn them down? I couldn't care what you think to be honest. I know what I think and want what is best for Crusaders. That for me would be a proven rugby league player and consistent performer. To you the best option is a union player that will take time to learn the game and may never make the grade. Both would cost the same and opinions differ, that's life. Oh and if you're at a loss as to who the moron is here read the Scorpions thread you started again. That more than clears it up.

Quote ="Scorpions for SL"Not one of those is actually a fact. They are your opinion, which is based on your personal bias and pathetic phobia of rugby union. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/fact'" I am a rugby union fan as well as football and rugby league you plank. You should see me at the games though..... I wish I could shake off my union phobia as it just spoils it for me.

Quote ="Scorpions for SL"Not one of those is actually a fact. They are your opinion, which is based on your personal bias and pathetic phobia of rugby union. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/fact'" I am a rugby union fan as well as football and rugby league you plank. You should see me at the games though..... I wish I could shake off my union phobia as it just spoils it for me.

The more I read the posts of this cretin the more I feel it is a reincarnation of a previous poster in the Barry McKenzie style.

As I have already said. It is not a choice between youth development and powell, crusaders can have both. Whether or not crusaders sign powell, youth development will be on going. Signing powell will in fact help with youth development as more young players will be encouraged to play rugby league and follow in his foot steps.


I brought up how much union internationals earn in response to your claim powell was moving to league for the money, but in fact he would earn more money if he stayed in union. Making you a fool. Nobody knows why he didnt sign for wigan, other than yourself obviously who somehow knows andy powells inner thoughts and secrets. You know what is best for crusaders

so your an expert in running new clubs in expansion areas, crusaders wouldnt last the season with you in charge, meda coverage isnt important and all that.

Correct me if im wrong, but by 2012, the scorpions will have existed for 3 years. You say scorpions 4 sl is a moron because he thinks that by then, they may be ready for an spot in superleage. How long exactly was it from the crusaders being founded, to their first season in superleague? It would seem from this, that the RFL dont to think it would be moronic

Crucrucrusaders, i really dont see how you can call anyone a moron, when your whole argument until now, has been completely fallacious.

You used a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemmafalse dilemma[/url several times, when claiming the crusaders have to chose between prioritising youth development, or can prioritise signing union players, completely ignoring the fact that signingunion players will increase the clubs profile, getting them new fans (who will spend money, which can be used for amongst other things youth development), and will encourage a lot more kids to take up the sport. And yes i saw your comment that the club dont need increased exposure and a larger profile, because people already know who they are - I think this is a ridiculous statment to make, and seemingly, so does every company in the world, because they all spend money on advertising - Do you think anyone doesn't know about coca cola? using your logic they shouldnt bother spending on advertising, last year they spent 3 billion dollars on advertising. Apparently you know more about marketing and advertising, than the marketing departments of all the worlds major companies



You then resorted to a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemattacking scorpions for sl[/url and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi#Red_herringattacking (unrelated) posts he made in another thread[/url

You are also guilty of portraying your opinion as fact, basically throughout your posts.



Crucrucrusaders, you are a joke!

Funny though really but crucru cares an awful lot about his team and has put in the best part if 10k miles in the last 2 years alone following them. I've actually seen crucru at both cru and scorpions games. Scorpions for sl though ,well that's a troll and will be until the day we meet face to face. So he/she/it/you are open to critism for appearing from nowhere and stirring it with nonsense. For the sake of having no actual real life but to make multiple accounts and drip on a fan forum

How come widness and scopions are never online together?

Actually how come widness was online scorps wasn't then widness went offline and scorps appeared online. That is very strange and lets face it a bit sad surely if you need someone to talk to you can phone the Samaritans