Quote ="4thchoicecentre"We all know Bailey's attitude on the pitch, I don't doubt he can be a good player (when he doesnt bottle it). My point was I doubt any big club would take Bailey on with how we plays RL, the way he was when Leeds beat Saints in the final is probably the best point in this. Only Bailey was acting like an idiot, I think Wilkin and Graham both came out when he was selected for England and said they would have a problem playing with him. www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... ion-course'" oh you mean when he joined in with celebrating with Brett Delaney? so wasnt just Bailey CELEBRATING another grand final win. As for the saints game where you claim he went hiding was this the game when Graham put a cheap shot in coming in as 3rd man? Yup thought so

Quote ="4thchoicecentre"We all know Bailey's attitude on the pitch, I don't doubt he can be a good player (when he doesnt bottle it). My point was I doubt any big club would take Bailey on with how we plays RL, the way he was when Leeds beat Saints in the final is probably the best point in this. Only Bailey was acting like an idiot, I think Wilkin and Graham both came out when he was selected for England and said they would have a problem playing with him. www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... ion-course'" oh you mean when he joined in with celebrating with Brett Delaney? so wasnt just Bailey CELEBRATING another grand final win. As for the saints game where you claim he went hiding was this the game when Graham put a cheap shot in coming in as 3rd man? Yup thought so

Wasn't cheap, was completely legal shot. He was held up and Graham went for the ribs, not the head. What was cheap was his shot on Fa'asvalu where he fore-armed him in the face. Thats what started that whole game off down that route. Whilst we're on the subject we'll bring up his cheap shot on Brown as well, after high-shotting him he then picks him up and lamps him one.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8uW3_wKW-U I'm all for physical props, but I've no time for cheap shots. I'm not even a Saints fan I've played RL for years and had countless hits (mainly because I'm too slow to dodge them), but there's a difference between getting smashed and get cheap shotted in the face. Bailey has been cheap shotting players throughout his career, even the McNamara admits he gets under everyones skin....

Wasn't cheap, was completely legal shot. He was held up and Graham went for the ribs, not the head. What was cheap was his shot on Fa'asvalu where he fore-armed him in the face. Thats what started that whole game off down that route. Whilst we're on the subject we'll bring up his cheap shot on Brown as well, after high-shotting him he then picks him up and lamps him one.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8uW3_wKW-U I'm all for physical props, but I've no time for cheap shots. I'm not even a Saints fan I've played RL for years and had countless hits (mainly because I'm too slow to dodge them), but there's a difference between getting smashed and get cheap shotted in the face. Bailey has been cheap shotting players throughout his career, even the McNamara admits he gets under everyones skin....

Quote ="4thchoicecentre"Wasn't cheap, was completely legal shot. What was cheap was his shot on Fa'asvalu where he fore-armed him in the face. Whilst we're on the subject we'll bring up his cheap shot on Brown as well, after high-shotting him he then picks him up and lamps him one.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8uW3_wKW-U I'm all for physical props, but I've no time for cheap shots.'" forearm? was a legal shoulder dont know where your forearm is pal. your hatred for Bailey must really stop you sleeping at night all these incidents that you manipulate to suit your argument is amazing

Quote ="4thchoicecentre"Wasn't cheap, was completely legal shot. What was cheap was his shot on Fa'asvalu where he fore-armed him in the face. Whilst we're on the subject we'll bring up his cheap shot on Brown as well, after high-shotting him he then picks him up and lamps him one.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8uW3_wKW-U I'm all for physical props, but I've no time for cheap shots.'" forearm? was a legal shoulder dont know where your forearm is pal. your hatred for Bailey must really stop you sleeping at night all these incidents that you manipulate to suit your argument is amazing

Its not hatred, its simple facts.

I dont see how I manipulated the last video anyway? Take a look, highshot, drags him up then punches him?

All for being proved wrong and somone showing me he's a top quality prop, but at least show some decent banter about it or even an example of two......

Daryll Powell
Tony Smith
Brian McClennan
Brian McDermott
Brian Noble
Paul Cullen

All coaches who have rated Ryan Bailey highly enough to play in their teams.

2010 Leeds v St Helens CC semi final - he was arguably the best player on the pitch that day.

Appart from the fact that Kevin Brown twice in that video fakes injury to win a penalty then jumps straight up after the first is given. Then gets up ready to start swinging when bailey picks him up and there's clearly nothing wrong with him. Seconds after being spread eagled and trying to look knocked out. Take the blinkers off and get over it.

Ah, another bash Bailey thread. You obviously didn't intend to discuss maturely what he was actually banned for, which in most peoples opinions was a very soft way to get banned. Silverwood stood in the Leeds defensive line as they tried to drift across and Bailey who was frantically trying to slide pushed Silverwood out the way as all players would who were in a scramble. But don't let facts get in the way of your anti bailey agenda.

Classic Bailey.

So he put his hands on the ref ??? How wrong people are about Bailey the jail bird

Can't be having players put their hands on the ref - that's football behaviour; correct call which could reasonably be described as harsh but fair.

How was I not willing to discuss this maturely? I state my thoughts that Bailey is a player in my eyes goes for cheap shots. I've said a hundred times before, if you can get rid of his attitude he could be a good player. You can't put your hands on the referee nor can you go steaming up to them shouting alsorts either. McDermott himself agrees that he can't do this www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480

How was I not willing to discuss this maturely? I state my thoughts that Bailey is a player in my eyes goes for cheap shots. I've said a hundred times before, if you can get rid of his attitude he could be a good player. You can't put your hands on the referee nor can you go steaming up to them shouting alsorts either. McDermott himself agrees that he can't do this www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480

I've thought this for years. He's been very lucky to have won what he has with Leeds.

I don't think it was malicious but we can't start having players put their hands on the ref just because they feel a bit annoyed. Plus he also pleaded guilty.

Imagine if Bailey played for Wigan? The servers would explode!

Isn't it amazing how four Super League and WCC winning coaches disagree?

Bailey strikes me as a bit like Hock, but softer; he has some great attributes but a poor attitude.

To keep this on track, Bailey's pushed the ref in my eyes this is him following a line of stupid behaviour as a player.

Agreed I've seen worse however you can't push the ref, now I've not seen the CC semi-final 2010 so I cant vouch for his performance. However I am constantly surprised to see him still in the Leeds Squad considering the quality of players around him. I can't remember a "great" game from him personally (again from my memory).

Perhaps the coaches see something I don't, maybe he's a good player and I'm blinkered?

Again I go back to Brown incident, I don't see how Brown getting high shotted is Browns fault. Bailey picks him up and smacks him one for no reason, he goes looking for it against a smaller player. Thats how I personally see Bailey every game, which is very different to how I look at players like Peacock and Leuleui.

Again my thoughts, my opinion, stupid play from what could be a good player.

Indeed. He might have got away with a lighter punishment, with a different attitude:

Say excuse me, sir? Nah, his [ionly[/i choice was to push the referee in the back.

Have you even seen the incident?

It was an absolute non incident. He shouldnt have been charged with anything let alone a 3 game ban! What is he supposed to do. It was just the same as when you brush past somebody walking down the street. The person who should have been charged was Silverwood for incompetent refereeing. Also why was Westwood not banned for a cheap shot on Webb that bizarrely ended up in a penalty to Wire!

Think it was very harsh to ban Bails for an incident like this. Although it is setting a standard now.

Main problem is, we see this week in, week out. So will we see consistency, or just every incident similar to this dismissed?

I expect it to be the latter.

The standard for pushing referees was set ages ago. There have been other bans for interfering with the ref. I think it has its own minimum ban doesn't it? They are the officials and whether we hate them or despise them, they are to be respected and Bailey wouldn't recognise the word 'respect' if it hit him around the ears.

I think the word 'petulance' used in the quote taken from the Panel feedback was interesting. Petulance is usually used to describe childish behaviour. That about sums up Bailey. He got what he deserved. He knows the rules and he knows that referees are untouchable, as they should be. The game will be 100% better without him in it.

Nail on head

I have no problem with the ban. You can't deliberately push a ref, even if they are stopping you from tackling someone. If Bailey's attitude post incident added to his ban, sobeit.

As for the rest, the anti Bailey hysteria is indeed classic Bailey. Probably the funniest are those posts that start out attempting to sound rational, then simply fall into the "Why I hate Bailey" tosh. SaintsFan above being a classic example.

BTW another game Bailey did very well in was the 2009 GF against Sts - he and Burgess did a fantastic job from the bench that day. Would I swap him for James Graham? In an instant. Would I swap him for any 2nd/3rd/4th choice prop at any other SL side? Never.

I wonder what it is abvout Ryan Bailey that makes people dislike him so much?