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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes difficult isn't it
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It's a little ambiguous yes. As you, I or my mate Jeff might have different views on what the good of the game is.
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| Yes,
if it left the game with more money, more visibility, more fans, and more stability or had the potential to do so, then yes.
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| No. The way the SL franchise system is run means that as time goes by it will be increasingly difficult if not impossible for those outside the top flight to meet the criteria to get (back) in. There will be an ever widening financial gap between SL & the rest & I am genuinely worried for Wakey- if as most expect they get the push this year and Cas, Salford & Saints get new stadiums how are Wakey going to get back in in 3 years? (assuming of course the RFL provides the option to expand the league in 3 years- we actually have no idea what their plans are).
So as things stand I reckon if you're picked for the next round of franchises barring financial meltdown you're set up indefinitely whilst if you're out with no Sky money & inevitably smaller crowds you'll never get back in.
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| Yes. But whether I agree that us being out of the SL is for the good of the game is an entirely different question!
If we were still playing at the Boulevard, lurking around the bottom spots, getting Sharks-like crowds, then yes we'd deserve to be dropped.
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| Weren't you getting the answers you liked on the other thread?
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Weren't you getting the answers you liked on the other thread?
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As towns88 posted earlier , how you define thing reflects on what your answer will be , I'm just trying to simplify the question and therefore the argument
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| Again, this is a different question.
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| Quote ="Starbug"As towns88 posted earlier , how you define thing reflects on what your answer will be , I'm just trying to simplify the question and therefore the argument'"
Well, it seems that what you are trying to do is lend weight to your rather aggressive assertions on the other thread that anyone who voted "game" was a liar by creating this fantasy scenario. It's like asking "Do you put the welfare of your child before the welfare of your wife?" Then when the reply is "yes", you ask "Would you shoot your wife in the head to prevent your child getting stung by a bee." Anyone who wouldn't shoot their wife obviously doesn't put the welfare of their child before the welfare of their wife, right Starbug?
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| I would love Hull to go out of superleague for the good of the game
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Well, it seems that what you are trying to do is lend weight to your rather aggressive assertions on the other thread that anyone who voted "game" was a liar by creating this fantasy scenario. It's like asking "Do you put the welfare of your child before the welfare of your wife?" Then when the reply is "yes", you ask "Would you shoot your wife in the head to prevent your child getting stung by a bee." Anyone who wouldn't shoot their wife obviously doesn't put the welfare of their child before the welfare of their wife, right Starbug?'"
A bit of a fantasy scenario there EGW , no I'm not adding weight to anything other than the original question is pointless because every bodies situation is different , and unless you can replicate those situations nobody can answer the question honestly
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| Quote ="Starbug"A bit of a fantasy scenario there EGW , no I'm not adding weight to anything other than the original question is pointless because every bodies situation is different , and unless you can replicate those situations nobody can answer the question honestly'"
I answered honestly and I'm not sure why you keep insisting people have answered otherwise.
In a general, roundabout way, I'm happy for things to be put in place by the RFL that may hinder my club specifically but benefit RL as a whole, the SC being an example. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect or beyond criticism but I do think it's evened up the competition and whilst that might mean we'll never again dominate like we did in the late 80s to early 90s it seems to have made SL a better competition, so I'm happy with that in a utilitarian sort of way. Similarly, I would hate to see any club go to the wall, no matter how much we might be sworn enemies on the pitch, and I don't like seeing good players leave the RFL even when it's our nemesis they are leaving.
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| Club.
I love the sport and i watch the national team when i can. But Its Widnes that made me fall in love with the game and its the club that make me spend many English pounds watching them.
If they died so would my interest in the game. Without Widnes i would just be someone who watched the challenge cup final and maybe the odd SL match if nothing better was on.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I answered honestly and I'm not sure why you keep insisting people have answered otherwise.
In a general, roundabout way, I'm happy for things to be put in place by the RFL that may hinder my club specifically but benefit RL as a whole, the SC being an example. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect or beyond criticism but I do think it's evened up the competition and whilst that might mean we'll never again dominate like we did in the late 80s to early 90s it seems to have made SL a better competition, so I'm happy with that in a utilitarian sort of way. Similarly, I would hate to see any club go to the wall, no matter how much we might be sworn enemies on the pitch, and I don't like seeing good players leave the RFL even when it's our nemesis they are leaving.'"
Your club did everything they could ( some would say they cheated ) to retain their SL status , how much further would you have been happy for them to go , how much further would Mo have gone ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Your club did everything they could ( some would say they cheated ) to retain their SL status , how much further would you have been happy for them to go , how much further would Mo have gone ?'"
Are you asking me what my opinion is or simply stating what you think our club did and inferring my opinion from that? Either way this brick wall is beginning to give me a head ache. I don't have to prove my honesty to you mate, if you can't take what I'm saying at face value then so be it. I love the game first and foremost; clearly you'll find that unbelievable if you judge me by your own standards.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Are you asking me what my opinion is or simply stating what you think our club did and inferring my opinion from that? Either way this brick wall is beginning to give me a head ache. I don't have to prove my honesty to you mate, if you can't take what I'm saying at face value then so be it. I love the game first and foremost; clearly you'll find that unbelievable if you judge me by your own standards.'"
Ok , one last one before you go
Were you happy with what your club did to avoid relegation ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Ok , one last one before you go
Were you happy with what your club did to avoid relegation ?'"
He could answer yes, Because the SL is a better supported competition with them in it. So for the good of the game they cheated.
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| Quote ="TonyGee"He could answer yes, Because the SL is a better supported competition with them in it. So for the good of the game they cheated.'"
I didn't ask that question , and I didn't ask you
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| Quote ="Starbug"Ok , one last one before you go
Were you happy with what your club did to avoid relegation ?'"
Surely you mean "allegedly did"? Either way I wouldn't be happy about it if it turned out to be true, both in terms of it being against the spirit of the game and a potential embarrassment for our club. However, I can only presume from your assertion that everybody who said "game" was lying that you yourself would happily have your team cheat their way to success. Shame on you, Starbug.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Surely you mean "allegedly did"? Either way I wouldn't be happy about it if it turned out to be true, both in terms of it being against the spirit of the game and a potential embarrassment for our club. However, I can only presume from your assertion that everybody who said "game" was lying that you yourself would happily have your team cheat their way to success. Shame on you, Starbug.
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Not an answer to a simple question , I don't understand the ' alleged ' bit , you brought players in , payed them the year after , had a player come out of retirement for free , moved players out on loan to keep your SC down , and stayed up
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| I would suggest that most fans who support a club on a regular basis, got into the game of RL because of the club they started following. Which means that they would put the needs of their club before the needs of the game.
I would fall into that category. as far as I am concerned if my club are not playing in a competition I have no interest in the competition, and would not care if the competition failed.
By example: I am an exiled Trinity fan; had Trinity gone under last week, I would have no interest in the remains of the British game.
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| Quote ="spook2011"I would suggest that most fans who support a club on a regular basis, got into the game of RL because of the club they started following. Which means that they would put the needs of their club before the needs of the game.
I would fall into that category. as far as I am concerned if my club are not playing in a competition I have no interest in the competition, and would not care if the competition failed.
By example: I am an exiled Trinity fan; had Trinity gone under last week, I would have no interest in the remains of the British game.'"
Obviously I can’t say whether I am more representative of ‘most’ or you but...
I got into RL following Wigan as a teenager in the early/mid 80’s and fell in love with the game and played it for over a decade as well as being a Wigan season ticket holder
I am now an exiled Wigan fan and I am far more passionate about the game of RL than Wigan RLFC itself... obviously I like to see Wigan doing well but I would put the success of the sport as my primary concern
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| Quote ="Starbug"Not an answer to a simple question , I don't understand the ' alleged ' bit , you brought players in , payed them the year after , had a player come out of retirement for free , moved players out on loan to keep your SC down , and stayed up'"
I answered your question, I don't condone such things. So, would you be happy to have your team cheat their way to success or would you put the game first?
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| I would rather see Leeds struggle because everyone else was now getting 40k and our current 15k cant compete, than as we are now, where we are one of the clubs dominating because other clubs cant compete with our 15k crowds.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I answered your question, I don't condone such things. So, would you be happy to have your team cheat their way to success or would you put the game first?'"
I wouldn't be happy with it no , I accept it happens in professional sport , as I am a realist
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I would rather see Leeds struggle because everyone else was now getting 40k and our current 15k cant compete, than as we are now, where we are one of the clubs dominating because other clubs cant compete with our 15k crowds.'"
I would put my club first above all but i wouldnt be too dissapointed if Widnes had Crowds of 10k and were struggling to compete with Wire/Wigan/Leeds/London/Crusaders/Bradford etc because they were all getting 40k crowds each week and we just couldnt compete.
I would be far less happy watching Widnes in The championship while clubs post Shocking crowds and show no real progression as a club.
The questions should maybe be...
Would you be happy for the RFL to expel your club from SL to fastrack a club From Glasgow into SL for the good of the game. Regardless of your Support, Structures, And facilities. And regardless of theirs?
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