It's the same thing, ie a defender is allowed a little more time to hold down.

Surrender is where a player has gone down easily to get a quick play the ball (Morley does it a lot at Warrington). Dominant is where a defender makes a big hit and puts a player on their ass for example.

Both allow the defender a little more freedom.

Today's game from Knowsley Road.

Ray French is the most excited man in the ground this afternoon - just listen to the old boy !!

I was talking to someone about that a few weeks back, dominant is straight forward however i was never sure what the indication was with surrender, as you say it appears to be the same, allowing the defence to hold down a bit longer.

i was thinking though, they both reward defence, should there not be an equivalent call for when an attacker scatters defenders and leaves them behind but they're still hanging onto an ankle at the ptb (if you know what i mean) or would that be redundant and just result in a penalty.

"Just look at this err youngster Gary err Wheeler err"

Retire the old fool!!

Anybody who got one of the refs radios last week (or has bought one at previous events) do they work at every game or just at that particular event? I couldn't get mine to pick anything up at Wakefield yesterday.

the geezer's who were selling em said they only worked at the events on the sign above their heads, MM, Challenge cup, GF, and the internationals. Though i'll be giving it a go at the next warrington match.

Just the major RFL showpiece games, Magic Weekend, Challenge Cup, Grand Final and Four Nations.

That would explain it.

Edit - anyone know where I can get one that would work at every game?

WTF is Thaler watching?

two terrible decisions resulting in two tries plus the forward pass for les cats that never was

Absolute gave this game to Saints on a plate. 12 points for Saints from two terrible, terrible decisions.

So Justin was right all along?

Get a decent scanner.

From?

Ebay or one of those Radio shops (not currys) ones that do CB's etc etc.

The ones at the events are done by using a mini FM transmitter and the set you get is set to a certain FM freq.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVEEEEE!!!!!

I never spoken to anyone yet who likes the Refs being wired for sound. Why can't the the TV people just turn on the sound when he's speaking to someone. Constant Move, Held and Surrender just annoys people, to the point of a lot of people now turn the sound off when viewing. I hate it.

Hello!
Speak to me. I Do.

Hang on, I doubt there's any evidence of "a lot of people" doing any such thing. YOU may do but that's just you.

I think it's a great feature, and would suggest it's more a question of the sound engineers getting the sound balance right, so it's at a level where you can make it out if you want to, but ignore it if you're not interested.

I'd agree they sometimes get the sound too loud, this often depends on which ref it is, but these are minor details.

I reckon it adds a great deal to my enjoyment because you can tell when a player is, for example, at risk of a pen for holding down, and it's great to hear the ref explaining decisions ("shoulder"; "went backwards" etc). Most of the time the commentators are talking over it anyway.

It's not as if you can't hear a lot of the "move" shouts if you're at the actual match, anyway!

You are joking????

You can hear a pin drop at Odsal.

I can only go by what people at work who watch live Sky games and people in the Pub/Club who watch the live games say?

Well plenty of people bought the radio's that broadcast the referee during the Magic Weekend (including me) and IMO it really adds to the coverage and adds an interesting angle to the game.

Exactly. That's why I want one for all games.