Your obsession with Wigan is getting boring now child.

What’s up is being a Saints fan not enough excitement for you that you feel the need to bring Wigan into every conversation you have?

Pathetic waste of existence doesn't even describe your life well enough.

The topic of conversation has turned to wigan. No need for the insults dude! Throwing insults around on the internet just makes you look like a retard

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There is no challenge in union and we all know it. I took a customer to twickenham last year for end v aus and it was the most dour affair I have ever witnessed as had they. In the first 10 minutes there was 5 passes of the ball.... absolute e.

Threads like this make me wonder if the average RL fan's inferiority complex when it comes to Wigan ever disappear.

A fan of another team brings Wigan into it, then everyone piles in to slate the Wigan fans, who have barely commented - truly, truly bizarre.

Well the Leeds coach was quick to point out that he was unable to retain Smith because of the salary cap. Clearly it does have a negative impact on retaining younger players when they can can command much higher salaries playing Union. Hardly rocket science.

It is purely conjecture that he is leaving RL. It is hardly unusual for players of this age/contract status to leave one club to go to another.

well let me know when we produce another lee smith, people wonder why we need to still play gleeson Gardner wellens et al, then say it's fine thatbwe lose smith Ashton, walker etc

Smith yet to play game of Union

Ashton not making the 1 st team at Northampton at the end of the season

Where is Walker playing union at the moment ?

Storm in a teacup

He'll be back, but you can't blame the lad if he get get big dough.

Its not about the game or loyalty.

Wish they would do it again.

Best piece of business in RL for years.

In fact how many "High profile" RL to RU players REALLY succeded at that boring game ( Jason Robinson apart?)

Glad to see the RFU and it's bigoted minions get royally stuffed as much as possible.

Sweeping generalisation I know, as there are people and clubs in Union who have fair and open, but are still few and far between.

smith will leave, doesn't matter if Ashton can't get a game for the northampton under11s he still isn't playing league and walker isn't half the player he was before leaving,

Whether union gain or not is irrelevant, league has lost. And in positions we can't afford to lose talented young players

Lee Smith isn't good enough to worry about. He isn't good enough to make it in union at international level and can't kick so will most likely end up back at Hull KR/Wigan/Wire within 2 years.

The thing is that we CAN afford to lose players. It never did the NRL any harm or even Union when we were poaching their players.

One note of caution I would add is that London Wasps might not be the best destination for him, he might get stung again.

I disagree with you on this one.

If we want to make RL stronger then we have to keep as many of the good players like Smith, Aston, Walker, Raynor, Paul, Robinson, Faz etc as we can.

The greater number of good players we have playing in SL the better the standard of the comp we will see. It’s not rocket science really.

People say Smith will easily be replace by another youngster at Leeds but it misses the point that it would be more beneficial to RL in general to have both of these players plying their talents in RL rather than RU.

The greater the talent base the more players we have to choose from, the stronger SL and the lower leagues will become.

I know I’d prefer to see players such as Smith playing RL any day than RU knowing its making our comp better.

I hope so. He's better than the cack you have.

Being a Rhinos fan it is disapointing to hear about Lee Smith leaving the code.

I wish him all the best, but can't help feeling he'll be another RFU gamble that ends in failure (with Smith trotting back to Super League with his tail between his legs next seson).

Does anyone really think he's good enough to cut it?

he'll be the best rugby player there, but wont be able to kick a ball far enough to be given a real chance

Yeah, it's hard to be in our position, but someones got to be.

You Pies said the same thing about Karl Pryce, how's he doing these days?

Injured, but thanks for taking an interest.

All Saints players are rubbish and not as good as their rivals. They just make each other look good





I mean Wilkin, Faasavalu, wellens, meli, Gilmour, Clough, Eastmond, Gardner, Cunningham, Hargreaves, Ashurst.

They're all average players who look good because they play for Saints. Thats right aint it ?

Great list apart from the one player I've highlighted!

what, you rate meli?

Not really sure what position he would play in Union - full back long-term would be his best bet. To me he looks a natural league full back - I'm not sure he'd ever make that good a centre, and he was only a makeshift winger.

I hope he's a miserable failure, as the fewer league players that make it the better. I agree entirely with the comment that Union has mistakenly gone for good league players rather than good rugby players. In a sense Robinson was an oddity - you'd have said he had league written all over him but he made a damn good union winger too.

It's funny as well how memory works. There's a tendency for people to remember (rightly) the union converts who did very well in league, but for every Martin Offiah there were shedloads of useless converts - including big names who were utterly clueless.

...David Young...John Gallagher...Mark Brooke Cowden immediatly spring to mind

...and all for the same club!

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_u ... 113858.stm Official now.

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_u ... 113858.stm Official now.

Storm in a teacup