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| Quote ="TRB"He's said nothing either wrong nor not in the public doamin. Cas own their ground, but before they can 'cash in' there are charges against the ground which need to be addressed. It doesn't change anything about their proposals, so why get touchy about it?'"
"Multiple charges"? He makes it sound like everyone has something against the ground, which is simply not the case.
And can't charges be carried across to the new asset because we'll own the new stadium? i.e. Stadium to stadium
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| Quote ="Fully"Cas.'"
Cas don't have a NEW stadium.
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| Quote ="kiwiballs"Cas don't have a NEW stadium.'"
FFS, I know education is crap in Wakefield but please, please read before writing!
He states how many of these stadiums ARE or WILL BE - note 'will be' - owned by the team.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Ive never understood why the Bulls won't share Valley Parade with City. Ready made all seater premiership standard stadium with unspoilt views within their city limits. City in their current state would be very open to shared ownership and a joint buy-out of the current owner Im sure....or they could keep chucking money down the drain on the upkeep of Odsal and pie in the sky projects that will never happen.'" Although not a Bradfordian per se, my observation is that Valley Parade is (sort of) the right stadium in completely, disastrously, the wrong place. Odsal is the wrong stadium in the right place.
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| Quote ="Fully""Multiple charges"? He makes it sound like everyone has something against the ground, which is simply not the case.
And can't charges be carried across to the new asset because we'll own the new stadium? i.e. Stadium to stadium'"
No - the charges are settled before the club recieves the balance of any funds due from the sale. There are 'multiple' charges, i.e. more than one - 3 from what I can tell (this isn't my field of work) - Jack Fulton, Carlsberg and Barclays. There are no details of what these amount to, but these are listed in the land registry.
There would be no reason to continue these on the new stadium, but further charges may be required as part of the funding package - i.e. to provide security against borrowings.
This may no longer be an issue (if you recieve sufficient funding from Tesco), but if you are to own the ground, how do get your hands on the councils money as that cannot be given to a private venture? Genuine question?
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| Quote ="TRB"
This may no longer be an issue (if you recieve sufficient funding from Tesco), but if you are to own the ground, how do get your hands on the councils money as that cannot be given to a private venture? Genuine question?'"
Tigers Trust, which will be situated/based out of the new stadium and therefore using it for educational facilities etc.
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| Quote ="FC MONK".
That is a joke, moving the temporary stand. It should be scrapped. When Rovers got promoted to Super League, that was only supposed to be in place for a couple of years. How the RFL can give a franchise to a club with a permanent temporary stand is laughable'" Psst.
Harlequins
You were saying?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Psst.
Harlequins
You were saying?'"
Looks very much like I expect the temporary stand on the northern terrace at BV to look like.
My we could have done with that yesterday, but hey ho, we're from Yorkshire a bit of rain never hurt us!
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Psst.
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or half the galpharm north stand?
to be fair neither are really used by the SL teams in question
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| Who owns these stadia though. What assets do the clubs have to borrow against when they need to?
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| Quote ="Dally" What assets do the clubs have to borrow against when they need to?'"
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Psst.
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They have built a brand new stand in its place which is probably one of the best in super league behind the goals.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"They have built a brand new stand in its place which is probably one of the best in super league behind the goals.'"
And of what possible benefit is that to RL? I know we need a succesful London club, but someone has to take a hold of that franchise and shake it up from top to bottom. I just can't see it being succesful until it has its own identity away from RU!
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| Quote ="TRB"And of what possible benefit is that to RL? I know we need a succesful London club, but someone has to take a hold of that franchise and shake it up from top to bottom. I just can't see it being succesful until it has its own identity away from RU!'"
All I was doing was defending the facilities. The poster had their facts wrong because that stand is no longer there. It would be like me posting a picture of the old east terrace at Leeds even though it is now the Carnegie stand.
I mentioned nothing about the benefit to RL or Quins as a RL franchise.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"They have built a brand new stand in its place which is probably one of the best in super league behind the goals.'"
Who have ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Who have ?'"
Whoever runs the stadium, probably quins RU.... read my post above. My post is only about the stadium and not the clubs.
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| i thought quins rl were moving out?
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Whoever runs the stadium, probably quins RU.... read my post above. My post is only about the =#FF0000:yqi3yydhstadium and not the clubs.[/
Which is where most arguments start to get complicated , which is why the enphasis on stadia is far too over stated IMO
If its fit for purpose and safe , it shouldn't come into the equation , and I speak as a fan of the club with the latest stadium bulit
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"All I was doing was defending the facilities. The poster had their facts wrong because that stand is no longer there. It would be like me posting a picture of the old east terrace at Leeds even though it is now the Carnegie stand.
I mentioned nothing about the benefit to RL or Quins as a RL franchise.'"
Fair enough - it just seems a bit sad that Quins have such a facility and can't even dream of filling it!
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"New grounds? Why have Castleford or Wakefield started theirs yet?'"
You are quite a petulant child for a mod! As your sig says, you are in SL for 2012 and you have a nice modern ground... so grow up now eh?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"You are quite a petulant child for a mod! As your sig says, you are in SL for 2012 and you have a nice modern ground... so grow up now eh?'"
Strange response to a simple question that.
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| Quote ="TRB"He's said nothing either wrong nor not in the public doamin. Cas own their ground, but before they can 'cash in' there are charges against the ground which need to be addressed. It doesn't change anything about their proposals, so why get touchy about it?'"
But I think Fully was answering the question on how many teams will own their new ground. It doesn't matter if Wheldon Road has charges on it, because the question was about the new stadium.
So, of the new stadiums being/been built, apart from Cas who else owns/would own their shiny new ground?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"You are quite a petulant child for a mod! As your sig says, you are in SL for 2012 and you have a nice modern ground... so grow up now eh?'"
I just find it a little curious that a few of your fans are discussing these stadiums as if they are all but built, when in reality they have been "all but built" for quite some time. Except they haven't, and I'm not the only fan who wont believe either until they open.
Salford's is a reality. Saints' is a glorious reality. Cas and Wakey do not have new stadiums and no amount of fancy pictures and press releases will change that.
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| Quote ="marshman"But I think Fully was answering the question on how many teams will own their new ground. It doesn't matter if Wheldon Road has charges on it, because the question was about the new stadium.
So, of the new stadiums being/been built, apart from Cas who else owns/would own their shiny new ground?'"
You're right, I was, something which the few Wakefield fans on here forgot to note, considering it asked that very question. Instead, they went for the usual swipe.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"I just find it a little curious that a few of your fans are discussing these stadiums as if they are all but built, when in reality they have been "all but built" for quite some time. Except they haven't, and I'm not the only fan who wont believe either until they open.
Salford's is a reality. Saints' is a glorious reality. Cas and Wakey do not have new stadiums and no amount of fancy pictures and press releases will change that.'"
Whose fans?
You also make some, if not particular astute and knowledgeable, valid observations but I am not sure why being blatantly sarcastic is helping either. I thought you would have understood the ramifications of being condemned to NL1 if not actually being sent down to NL1 at the behest, sorry due to the transparent application process, of the RFL.
I only hope that Salford (and I do mean this) can afford the rent!
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