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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"I've mentioned this a couple of times on here already, but view is that SL should be split into two divisions, which operate side by side, not one on top of the other. The divisions would be loosely based on the heartland regions, one for Lancs and one for Yorks with expansion clubs in each. The divisions would have 10-12 teams in each. Teams in each division would play each other home and away in the league and would come together for the CC and the top three-four teams in each division would play each other in a play off series.
This way you increase the talent pool and numbers of pro players, you increase the numbers of both heartland and expansion clubs, you reduce the number of matches in a season, but the majority of SL matches would be local derbies (better for away support).
Also by doing this the likes of Paris, Barca and Toulouse could be included with Catalans. The RFL could establish a date when these four teams have to leave the two SL divisions and create their own SL division covering Spain and France with the possibility of Italy. Again these teams compete in CC and play off.
A further development could be set up after this whereby Welsh, Irish and Scottish teams are included in the first two divisions and eventually have to leave to create another SL division.
From there Germany and Holland?'"
I would be reluctant to based the conferences on geographical grounds, in my mind that would reinforce the parochial nature of the sport.
I would like to see the make up of the two conferences drawn at random each season ensuring the games do not become stale. It could generate a bit of interest in the off season. The fixtures could then be announced a few weeks later. |
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| I agree with Tony Smith and Jamie Peacock, Lets reduce the number of teams and the number of games. Then we can reduce their wages as well for doing less work  |
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| Quote ="Pepe"SL just needs re-organising, with a bye week or two thrown in. Scrap the “Magic Weekend” and we could be playing a similar amount of games as the NRL TP, if not even less. We could even possibly go to 16 clubs in the future. '"
16 clubs is no good. We need the talent at 12 clubs, it's about quality games. We don't have enough to spread to 16 clubs let alone 14.
Quote ="Pepe"There is the Challenge cup to think about, but the early rounds are often used to rest high profile players anyway. So the amount of games we play needn’t be that much more than what the NRL TP play. '"
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| Quote ="Oldham Rhino"16 clubs is no good. We need the talent at 12 clubs, it's about quality games. We don't have enough to spread to 16 clubs let alone 14.'"
Quote ="Pepe"We could even possibly go to 16 clubs in the future. '"
If, or when, ready. |
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"I've mentioned this a couple of times on here already, but view is that SL should be split into two divisions, which operate side by side, not one on top of the other. The divisions would be loosely based on the heartland regions, one for Lancs and one for Yorks with expansion clubs in each.'"
Back to the good old days then a Yorkshire League and a Lancashire League, then a play-off.
Actually I like the idea of 2 leagues/conferences. To satisfy the club's demand for games these could be padded out the same way as they do in NFL... each team plays a random selection of opponents from the other conference. |
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Just to reiterate, our current playoff system does lend it's self to a two-conference system of 8 each, and it could prove useful for reducing games, whilst keeping all of the local derbies each way. It also gives an easier scope to introduce an origin-style mid season competition, as one league vs the other, either with Origin-Type Rules where their first SL match was played, or current rosters. Finally, it doesn't work with P/R too well, but is much more easily implimented into a controlled franchising system. Could probably work along the lines of:
[iRed Rose Super League[/i
Wigan Warriors
Warrington Wolves
St. Helens
Crusaders
Salford Reds
Widnes Vikings
Catalans Dragons
Tolouse Olympique
[iWhite Rose Super League[/i
Leeds Rhinos
Bradford Bulls
Hull FC
Hull KR
Wakefield Wildcats
Castleford Tigers
Huddersfield Giants
Harlequins
Although personally I would be inclined to grow South Wales Scorpions, A further London team and maybe a Cumbrian/North Western team.
So 22 Games, 3 War of the Roses games, 5 CC games and internationals. Still more than the NRL though.
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| Quote ="Bovrick"Just to reiterate, our current playoff system does lend it's self to a two-conference system of 8 each, and it could prove useful for reducing games, whilst keeping all of the local derbies each way. It also gives an easier scope to introduce an origin-style mid season competition, as one league vs the other, either with Origin-Type Rules where their first SL match was played, or current rosters. Finally, it doesn't work with P/R too well, but is much more easily implimented into a controlled franchising system. Could probably work along the lines of:
[iRed Rose Super League[/i
Wigan Warriors
Warrington Wolves
St. Helens
Crusaders
Salford Reds
Widnes Vikings
Catalans Dragons
Tolouse Olympique
[iWhite Rose Super League[/i
Leeds Rhinos
Bradford Bulls
Hull FC
Hull KR
Wakefield Wildcats
Castleford Tigers
Huddersfield Giants
Harlequins
Although personally I would be inclined to grow South Wales Scorpions, A further London team and maybe a Cumbrian/North Western team.
So 22 Games, 3 War of the Roses games, 5 CC games and internationals. Still more than the NRL though.'"
I like the idea of that and it could indeed reinvigorate the challenge cup as well |
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| Quote ="Bovrick"
[iRed Rose Super League[/i
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Warrington Wolves
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Salford Reds
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Catalans Dragons
Tolouse Olympique
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That would be a completely unsustainable fixture list for practically every team in that league. Attendances would plummet and clubs would go bust. That’s 3 expansion clubs in our league to one in the Yorkie league. With very little away support and two journeys overseas, if not more depending on how many times these clubs are supposed to play each other.
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"I like the idea of that and it could indeed reinvigorate the challenge cup as well'"
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| Quote ="Pepe"That would be a completely unsustainable fixture list for practically every team in that league. Attendances would plummet and clubs would go bust. That’s 3 expansion clubs in our league to one in the Yorkie league. With very little away support and two journeys overseas, if not more depending on how many times these clubs are supposed to play each other.
The White Rose league would be better, but nowhere near as sustainable as SL is now imo.'"
Not my idea, never going to claim it was, I just tried to put a coherant post of the other ideas here mate cause I liked it.
The fact is, let's look at it from say Wigan's point of view:
St.Helens Home & Away
Warrington Home & Away
Should give their best attendences.
Widnes Home & Away
Salford Home & Away
Crusaders Home & Away
All fairly local games to visit, reasonable crowds could be expected.
Catalans Home & Away
Toulouse Home & Away
One away game if you are lucky here really, but every other year the Toulouse match could replace what the Quins away match is now, as they would only visit Quins every other year in regular games. Catalans finally get a local derby too. |
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| Quote ="Dico"I just don't agree with him.
But he does join a growing line of people in agreeance'"
In where now?
Have you been sharing TS's English coach
Quote ="Tony Smith""Maybe the reduction of teams and the reduction of the number of games, rather than numbers of both," '"
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| Quote ="Bovrick"Just to reiterate, our current playoff system does lend it's self to a two-conference system of 8 each, and it could prove useful for reducing games, whilst keeping all of the local derbies each way. It also gives an easier scope to introduce an origin-style mid season competition, as one league vs the other, either with Origin-Type Rules where their first SL match was played, or current rosters. Finally, it doesn't work with P/R too well, but is much more easily implimented into a controlled franchising system. Could probably work along the lines of:
[iRed Rose Super League[/i
Wigan Warriors
Warrington Wolves
St. Helens
Crusaders
Salford Reds
Widnes Vikings
Catalans Dragons
Tolouse Olympique
[iWhite Rose Super League[/i
Leeds Rhinos
Bradford Bulls
Hull FC
Hull KR
Wakefield Wildcats
Castleford Tigers
Huddersfield Giants
Harlequins
Although personally I would be inclined to grow South Wales Scorpions, A further London team and maybe a Cumbrian/North Western team.
So 22 Games, 3 War of the Roses games, 5 CC games and internationals. Still more than the NRL though.'"
don't like this idea at all, and it'd make the sport look even more 'small town' than it is already.
only the games with Leeds, Bradford and Rovers would generate a big crowd at the KC. And no club can survive with just 3 big home games a year. |
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It doesn't even mean anything'"
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| Quote ="UllFC"don't like this idea at all, and it'd make the sport look even more 'small town' than it is already.
only the games with Leeds, Bradford and Rovers would generate a big crowd at the KC. And no club can survive with just 3 big home games a year.'"
Like I said they would not be my teams of choice.
Maybe I didn't highlight it enough, you would get 7 home games from your league and 4 from the other.
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| Quote ="UllFC"don't like this idea at all, and it'd make the sport look even more 'small town' than it is already.
only the games with Leeds, Bradford and Rovers would generate a big crowd at the KC. And no club can survive with just 3 big home games a year.'"
Just to clarify you wouldn't play just the sides in your conference you'd also play the likes of Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Widnes, some of which would be at home.
Also it doesn't have to be say a Yorkshire/Lancashire sort of fell to it. You could mix and match the sides in it but from a travelling perspective and derbies it would make more sense to increase crowd numbers of the whole |
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| Quote ="Bovrick"Not my idea, never going to claim it was, I just tried to put a coherant post of the other ideas here mate cause I liked it.
The fact is, let's look at it from say Wigan's point of view:
One away game if you are lucky here really, but every other year the Toulouse match could replace what the Quins away match is now, as they would only visit Quins every other year in regular games. Catalans finally get a local derby too.'"
Let’s look at it from Widnes’ point of view.
Good crowds
Wigan Home & Away
St.Helens Home & Away
Warrington Home & Away
Little or no away support, no atmosphere and little interest.
Salford Home & Away
Crusaders Home & Away
Catalans Home & Away
Toulouse Home & Away
That’s 8 out of 14 games relying entirely on home support. It will be even worse for other clubs than it would for Widnes. I know some people think away support in a red herring, but it just isn’t. I bet even Saints would go out of business if that league ever went ahead. It would be a complete disaster imo. |
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| Quote ="Trinity Till Death"Why would it be 8?'"
Salford don't bring many.
Crusaders Don't bring many, although I would expect them to bring more than Salford
Catalans 0
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It would be the same for all of them, although they would have the advantage of Widnes’ away support which, in itself, wouldn’t make up for missing out on visits from the likes of Hull, Hull KR, Leeds and Bradford ect… |
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| Quote ="Pepe"Let’s look at it from Widnes’ point of view.
Good crowds
Wigan Home & Away
St.Helens Home & Away
Warrington Home & Away
Little or no away support, no atmosphere and little interest.
Salford Home & Away
Crusaders Home & Away
Catalans Home & Away
Toulouse Home & Away
That’s 8 out of 14 games relying entirely on home support. It will be even worse for other clubs than it would for Widnes. I know some people think away support in a red herring, but it just isn’t. I bet even Saints would go out of business if that league ever went ahead. It would be a complete disaster imo.'"
That's a fair point, I'll just have a look at this...
"If Widnes Replaced Salford now" VS "Widnes in RRSL"
Wigan Home & Away VS Wigan Home & Away
St.Helens Home & Away VS St.Helens Home & Away
Warrington Home & Away VS Warrington Home & Away
Crusaders Home & Away VS Crusaders Home & Away
Catalans Home & Away VS Catalans Home & Away
Would be the same
Bradford Home & Away
Leeds Home & Away
Hull FC Home & Away
Hull KR Home & Away
Harlequins Home & Away
Huddersfield Home & Away
Wakefield Home & Away
Castleford Home & Away
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Toulouse Home & Away
Leeds Home OR Away
Bradford Home OR Away
Hull FC Home OR Away
Hull KR Home OR Away
Harlequins Home OR Away
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| Quote ="Pepe"Crusaders Don't bring many, although I would expect them to bring more than Salford
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Just what we need a elite league producing less and less players for england
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We have been talking for over 10 years that we have too many games.
Should be a 12 team Superleague, with no magic weekend just home and away - 22 games.
Promotion/Relegation every 2 years giving the promoted team 1 year to adjust to the demands of Superleague.
Instead of the magic weekend, we have a 3 game origin series, Easts versus Wests.(UK players only) Preperation for international.
Cap on internationl (UK) players to 27 games instead of potentially present of 35 games.
Grand Play offs top 4 only, Minor shield play off 5th to 8th.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"We have been talking for over 10 years that we have too many games.
Should be a 12 team Superleague, with no magic weekend just home and away - 22 games.
Promotion/Relegation every 2 years giving the promoted team 1 year to adjust to the demands of Superleague.
Instead of the magic weekend, we have a 3 game origin series, Easts versus Wests.(UK players only) Preperation for international.
Grand Play offs top 4 only, Minor shield play off 5th to 8th.'"
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Instead of the magic weekend, we have a 3 game origin series, Easts versus Wests.(UK players only)
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Funnily enough, that is along the lines of what I was thinking except rather than making it exclusive to UK players have a 3-player cap from each side SL side, which would allow for equality amongst clubs and so a few clubs aren't directly affected by injuries AND missing players. |
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