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| The exclusion of Golden Point Extra time in the NRL.
I don't like the one on one rule. If you drop it it's a knock on. Carry the ball properly.
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"The forming of the scrum with any players around, in order for the ref to call time off and usually in the dying minutes of the game.
Either : Get the players to request time off to the official and then contest the scrum with those players present, regardless of their field position.
Or : Continue to run the clock down until the players you want to form the scrum / regular pack are present.
It seems unfair that the ref calls time off, only for the pack's make up to radically change using the benefit of players that have strolled back whilst the clock has stopped.
This shouldn't have a massive impact on the game, as most teams at various points in the game, seem to play a back as a 2nd row / loose forward ....'"
I would like to see the rule modified to the way they have it Australia (I know nicking their rules - shame on me)
The players that form the scrum have to stay bound for the clock to remain stopped, if any player detaches from the scrum, the clock restarts immediately - saw it the other day with only seconds left and Billy Slater lifted his head from LF position - time ran out and any chance Melbourne had for a last second miracle play was lost!
I'd also get rid of the wrestling in the tackle rubbish - complete tackle, roll away, to control the restart, make sure the ball is played correctly with the foot, none of this 'making an effort' nonsense! This would help to speed up the game making it more attractive than the dross we seem to be served up most weeks but in a more controlled manner (imo).
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| Stop the clock when a goal line drop out has been awarded because every team cheats/wastes time when taking one.
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| Maybe the RFL should take a look at this thread, i've never known a discussion on the VT where everyone agrees so much!
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| Quote ="gary numan"I'd like the kickable penalty withdrawn for putting the ball straight into touch from the kick off. To harsh imo. Tap on the halfway line is enough.'"
with you 100 per cent- kicking into touch on the full from open play isnt classed as a penalty- why should it be from the Kick turnover on half way is the answer
and the shot at goal option for what are called penalties but are no more thantechnical infringements should be scrapped ie not playing the ball correctly - should that really punishable by a concession of points , kick for touch or turnover would suit me.
and no penalty goal attempts or drop goal attempts from inside your own half -unlikely i admit but ban it
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| Quote ="philipk"with you 100 per cent- kicking into touch on the full from open play isnt classed as a penalty- why should it be from the Kick turnover on half way is the answer
and the shot at goal option for what are called penalties but are no more thantechnical infringements should be scrapped ie not playing the ball correctly - should that really punishable by a concession of points , kick for touch or turnover would suit me.
and no penalty goal attempts or drop goal attempts from inside your own half -unlikely i admit but ban it'"
I have to disagree. Teams should be encouraged to keep the ball in the field of play, The ball kicked dead from open play should be a hand over from where the ball was kicked, as for stopping kicks at goal for so called technical penalties? the kick at goal is the only way to stop teams wasting time & slowing the game down so they can set there defence & with luck prevent a score against them.
If a player is good enough to drop or place kick a goal why should we try & stop him? just hand the ball over from the place the kick was taken if they miss.
My only gripe with the rules is the headlong rush to speed up the play the ball. IMO they should not be allowed to roll the ball back it should be played with the foot every time(as the defending side can no longer strike at it) prevent lying on & the flop by all means but also penalise the ball carrier who dives to the ground for a voulantry tackle, As I said at the start teams should be encouraged to keep the ball in play & break tackles not dive into tackles to win a quick play the ball that must be earned by busting tackles or driving in & putting the defence on the back foot.
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| i dont class holding down as a technical offence- i mean ones such as ones at the PTB - ie not playing the ball correctly - is that really foul play worthy of a points concession - differential pen at best
as for dropping goals from in your own half - of course there's a skill to kicking goals but leave the long distance stuff to RU please or we'll have more long distance penalty shoot outs such as the Leeds v Wigan cup tie a few weeks ago -
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| The top 8 has to go. It is simply not good for the game. Bring back the top 6, or even better top 5.
I heard McNamara say on tele before that 'the aim of Bradford at the beginning of the season was to make the top 8, i hope they can achieve it'
TOP 8! WHAT KIND OF AN ACHIEVEMENT IS THAT!
I aim to tie my shoelaces once per day!
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| defenders hitting the ball out of play with their hands behind the dead ball line - should have to play it
Dropping the ball is a knock on, doesn't matter if it goes front ways or back ways, catch / hold it properly.
Video ref gets 1 look from each available angle then has to make a decision. If you can't see something first time it's not there.
Agree with the stopping of the clock at the scrum rule as above.
As a Rhinos fan forward passes should be allowed
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| Interesting that a lot of posts are pushing the "fumble" option where if you drop the ball in any direction it's a scrum, turnover etc. dependent upon the tackle count
Considering this is THE handling code it surely has to make sense.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Interesting that a lot of posts are pushing the "fumble" option where if you drop the ball in any direction it's a scrum, turnover etc. dependent upon the tackle count
Considering this is THE handling code it surely has to make sense.'"
If you mistime a pass and the intended recipient overruns it and the ball goes behind him, you turn over possession. If you pop and offload out of tackle which bounces before it gets to its intended target, you turn over possession.
If you're trying to encourage handling and keeping the ball moving, why would you weight the risk/reward of doing so heavily towards risk? It will only increase five drives and a kick on the last as a gameplan, particularly in difficult conditions.
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| Quote ="OoOGazOoO"What would they be.
3 for me which spring to mind.
The new 'dragging' to touch rule. I think this is a crap rule and basically, if a player takes the risk of running down the touchline or near the touchline, then they should be able to be bundled into touch, be it a drag or push..'"
Spot on with that. This rule has been p1ssing me off all season.
also when another player from the attacking team joins in the tackle, shouldne mean held if the player is still moving.
( was just gonna correct that spelling, but it sounds good in a scotish accent)
I agree with the play of the ball the refs are picking up now, but half way through the season is a bit of a joke.
maybe the other one is when the ball is kicked over the deadball line, and its a restart on the 20 for the other team. maybe it should be a restart on the 30. Think Phil Clarke has mentioned that one.
Main one is, Leeds to be penalised for being Dirty Yorkshire B&stards
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| Also think touch judges should be docked wages when they miss forward passes.
They are absolutely crap most of the time these guys.
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| Definately the top '8'
Finishing 8th out of 14 is not really anything to be proud of.
I'd sooner see just the top 4 in the play offs and have it as 1st v 4th, 2nd v 3rd with the 2 winners meeting in the Grand final
Same in the NRL
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| Id go with top 6.
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| Not sure what to suggest for the scrum.
maybe the whistle should be blown, then at the same time the ball is fed into the scrum, and the other team can start to push in the scrum
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| Quote ="saintcj"Id go with top 6.'"
Hmmmmmm
Coming 6th out of 14 isn't really that good either is it?
It's only one place above half way.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Definately the top '8'
Finishing 8th out of 14 is not really anything to be proud of.
I'd sooner see just the top 4 in the play offs and have it as 1st v 4th, 2nd v 3rd with the 2 winners meeting in the Grand final
Same in the NRL'"
I'm going to have to stop agreeing with you Baz, it's ruining my reputation! Top 4 would be excellent.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"I'm going to have to stop agreeing with you Baz, it's ruining my reputation! Top 4 would be excellent.'"
Agreeing with Barry McKenzie, the Dalai Lama of Rugby League can only enhance ones standing, not only on these forums, but in life in general.
A cynical person would say it's only a top 8 thing so there are more games played to get more money out of the people that pay to go and watch it or the sponsors who sponsor the games either on matchday or on telly.
It just seems strange that a side that finishes in the lower half of the ladder at the end of the season could actually become the premiers.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Top 4 would be excellent.'" I like the top 5 as it favoured the minor prems more than any other team by giving them a week off and no one else.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"I like the top 5 as it favoured the minor prems more than any other team by giving them a week off and no one else.'"
Not always an advantage.
More often than not NRL teams struggle when they are coming off the bye
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"I like the top 5 as it favoured the minor prems more than any other team by giving them a week off and no one else.'"
Very good point. You've convinced me on that.
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| Quote ="saintcj"Also think touch judges should be docked wages when they miss forward passes.
They are absolutely crap most of the time these guys.'"
Agreed and dock the wages of the players who do it and the coach who is too dumb to teach the players how to pass.
Yes I think that will work.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Not always an advantage.
More often than not NRL teams struggle when they are coming off the bye'"
Yeah, but at the end of the season, I think its worth it.
Top team get a week off. They also only have to win one game to get to the GF, which I think is deserved when they've finished top of the pile.
Top three teams get a "2nd" life and 4th and 5th are scrapping to stay in.
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| I agree with most on the dragging into touch rule. Just apply the same rules in that scenario as you do over the rest of the pitch and it works - i.e. once momentum has stopped the ref calls held. It was never a problem before so I don't see why they need to play with it now. It generally only happens when someone is running laterally out wide or when a centre has given an ill advised pass, and I have no problem with poor play of that kind being punished.
I also agree with The Offside Monkey on the need to change the restart after a player has been held up over the line. The current system means that the attacking side is penalised for getting over the opposition line. For example, if you get held up over the line on the 3rd tackle, all of your momentum has gone and you have to effectively start a new 2 tackle set, which is basically useless. In a game that is all about territory, it is perverse that you should be punished for getting over your opponent's line.
The counter argument to this is usually that the current system rewards 'good defence'. I say to this two things: 1. Letting your opponent get over your line does not constitute good defence. 2. If you stop an opponent from grounding the ball you ARE rewarded - by not conceding a try.
The old rule of restarting with an attacking scrum 10 metres out did load the dice a bit excessively, I'll admit, so I think a drop out would be a perfect way to restart the game in these situations.
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