How can he be born and bread PNG if he left aged seven!

Fantastic. Ignore the rest of the post. Of course he can. Early exposure to the game and the culture of PNG has obviously helped mould him into the young lad he was when he went. Yes he left PNG at 7, but think, how much of that was playing RL with his friends, sharing the passion of the country for the game, and potentially even playing a season or more in the juniors (I have my first exposure to RL as a baby, first shirt as a baby and first game at 6 years old when I became eligible for the Under 7's).

He himself stated in The Independant in 1995 - "The biggest difference is Lam himself. His family might have left PNG for Brisbane when he was seven, but he has always regarded himself as a Papua New Guinean, That attachment to his roots was tested earlier this year when an outstanding series at scrum-half for Queensland in the State of Origin matches gave him a real chance of selection for Australia. Lam turned his back on that prospect. I just couldn't let the people in PNG down, he said".

He's a PNG lad who is in the category of the likes of Stanley Gene who have already made a fantastic contribution to the UK game. Let's hope Mead and the Albert brothers do the same this season too.

I don't give a stuff how ethnically and culturally attached to PNG he is, that's his business.

You may have a point with Gene, but Lam!

The point you are missing on a monumental level is that his RL heritage is almost 100% Australian, the PNG element is tiny unless you're seriously suggesting the one year he may have spent playing park rugby as a six year old kid was in any way significant in which case you're bonkers. He IS A PRODUCT OF THE AUSTRALIAN SCHOOLS/CLUB SYSTEM end of.

You don't give a stuff. Fair enough. But I'm saying if he feels that way then maybe the PNG culture and influence in his early life encouraged him to take up RL. I never said anywhere he was A PRODUCT of the PNG system.

His heritage is PNG. Born in PNG. He is a Papua New Guinean. Even if he played his rugby in Australia he is a PNG national. Unlike say Luke Page who is born is Australia and plays for PNG.

Jean put this "As for the past PNG contributors to Super League we have not only Paul Aiton, but also the tyro Stanley Gene, Makali Aizue and the champion winger Marcus Bai".

It doesn't say products of the PNG system who contributed to SL does it? It simply says PNG contributors. Is Lam a Papua New Guinean? Without a doubt he is. Did he contribute to Super League? Yes. He was one of the best halves in the British game at the time. So please stop picking arguments that aren't there and just accept that my point still stands. Lam is a Papua New Guinean and has contributed to SL.

You are obviously correct but Donald "vastman" Trump cannot admit that he is wrong.

Did you mean "bread and butter PNG?"





Or did you mean "bred PNG?"

He was quoting someone else. Do keep up.

To be fair he was quoting me there. Simple spelling mistake. We all do it. But the fact he had to highlight it instead of accepting that I was right shows his mentality and mental capacity for good conversation.

Actually I never even noticed it and frankly I don't care, I'' leave that nonsense to the fake Frenchman - that certainly wasn't the reason I highlighted - As for my mental capacity, fair enough how dare I have an opinion that differs from yours.

Interesting that you lie here considering you made the spelling mistake in bold to highlight the fact I had made it.



But don't let that get in the way of truth?



Have a different opinion that is fine. But when Jean put this "As for the past PNG contributors to Super League we have not only Paul Aiton, but also the tyro Stanley Gene, Makali Aizue and the champion winger Marcus Bai".

And then I put Lam and backed it up with this argument:

It doesn't say [iproducts[/i of the PNG system who contributed to SL does it? It simply says PNG contributors. Is Lam a Papua New Guinean? Without a doubt he is. Did he contribute to Super League? Yes. He was one of the best halves in the British game at the time. So please stop picking arguments that aren't there and just accept that my point still stands. Lam is a Papua New Guinean and has contributed to SL.

Then it is not having a difference of opinion. It is fact that Lam is a Papua New Guinea and it is fact he is a PNG contributor to Super League. And yet again, you never seem to actually answer the post, just accept that you have no argument here. And no opinion to be had. Fact is fact.

Good thread this. As they used to say.

I would not know. I stopped reading several pages back

In the old days schlcldren would go outside have a fight shake hands and end it.

I guess in The modern world were its all done on inter web thingy we get this.

Maybe they could just send each other a cock shot and decide who wins

Oh ffs stop being a big baby. I highlighted 'bread' to make my point I never actually noticed you'd spelt it wrong and because of that I spelt it wrongly as well. I don't need to bring up spelling errors to win this argument so get over yourself.

Again you are either wilfully missing the point as regards La or you're plain stupid.

Fact regardless of any other factors he is a product of the AUSTRALIAN system not the PNG club scene that is a FACT end of!

Yes Stanley Gene (especially) and a few others have made a small contribution too SL but it's small. You couldn't create a SL team if you lumped them all together in fact you could barely make a team full stop.

If you wish to fantasise about the importance of PNG players to SL be my guest but don'y expect those with the ability to reason to go along with you. Some of us see things as they are not how we wish them to be.

Just to hammer home the point Lam is a product of the AUSTRALIAN system, I thank you.

I bet you'd like that

You are the one who highlighted it mate. Big baby? Okay. Maybe you are the one who needs to get over themselves.



Again with the attempted insults. I did not miss the original point that Jean made. He clearly stated PNG contributors to Super League. Lam is a PNG contributor to Super League. Regardless of which system he came through. I was merely agreeing with Jean's statement and adding Lam to the list of PNG contributors. Which he is. Fact. Then you came along and tried to cause an argument over pretty much nothing.



Please point out the exact place in any of my replies where I have specifically said PNG players have been massively important to SL or anywhere where I have stated anything other than they have been PNG contributors. Except where I have stated that Lam was one of the best halfbacks of the early 2000's (which he was). Other PNG contributors have had nowhere near the impact Lam has had, Gene had longevity and won a few trophies. Other future contributors could potentially be up there with the likes of Gene if they perform well which Jean was suggesting could happen to Mead and the Albert brothers.

For what it's worth I don't think players from PNG have had anywhere near as much impact in SL as those from the likes of Samoa and Tonga. But I for one gladly want the PNG players over here to do well. If they do, it can only improve the PNG national team which means a bit more competitiveness at international level. They are after all the only nation who's main sport is RL. And if you include the PNG players that have done well in the Championship too then you have a list of some very good players.

David Mead, Marcus Bai, Menzie Yere, Jason Tali, Garry Lo, Stanley Gene, Adrian Lam, Makali Aizue, James Segeyaro, Mark Mexico, Jason Chan, Neville Costigan, Paul Aiton. SUBS: Wellington Albert, Kurt Baptiste, Stanton Albert, John Wilshire. And I'm probably missing some more.

Anyway my apologies to everyone else. It feels like it's gone off topic too much now. So are there any more possible rumours or signings to be announced by clubs?

John Okul he came over with Stanley Gene and played a couple of seasons he still lives here actually

Hull KR have signed Junior Vaivai and Danny Tickle

To point out - it has been made clear to me that this forum is [uNOT [/u for arguing. Just be careful, my only advice.

So we should all just have the same opinion on everything? I know sometimes it gets a little heated, but there only disagreements whats the point in having a forum fgs? Although one thing i do not like, which i have seen creeping in quite lot recently is personal insults - Seems as though if you are certain posters you seem to get away with it.

I do agree Homme Vaste (Vastman in French) - For example if you were to call someone an idiot, this would be in breach of AUP 3.2 a & b resulting in your account being suspended.

Good point in regards to certain posters "getting away" with it, a previous account of mine was blocked after a heated discussion with a moderator. I was banned as I breached AUP 3.2 a & b yet the moderator had a slap on the wrist and was free to cause havoc on the forum.

I guess as the saying goes - "If the jumper fits"...

As I said to Vastman, be careful as I'm trying to be.

Gene Ormsby - Released by Huddersfield.

strange releasing someone the day after your first game of the season........

Not really he wasn't in the plans and would probably have been 5th or 6th choice winger for us, makes sense to offload him and save on a wage

Agreed, Huddersfield Giants 2018 squad is awesome, I doubt even Cameron Smith would get a game.....

But why wasn’t he released in October/November?