Can anyone who has suggested dropping Tom Briscoe say why they would do so? What has he done wrong in the two games he's played?

smith
briscoe
eastmond
ellis
hall
mcguire
tomkins
FGB
roby
Peacock
morley
burgess
sinfield

crabtree
wilkin
westwood
myler

But that thing with Senior, thats was an attention seeking idiot feeling left out and realising that when he isn't playing football he isn't important.


As Smith said, Senior took the time to tell the media about wanting to possibly play, then didn't tell the English management or the coach.


Glad he left him out. I think Smith is a completely different issue.

I'd have Ellis in the for a few reasons.

He likes running wide anyway, he'll provide size out there which is needed (I think some people here don't realize how big Hodges and Inglis actually are), he will provide experience....


I'd rather see him having a few problems out wide then seeing one of these kids being destroyed.

Keep in mind, Greg Inglis has the ability to slaughter the best in the game.

No way Smith should be playing. As soon as he announced he was leaving teh game he should have been dropped from rep honours. An England cap should be reserved for those who care about RL!

Defiantly.

I don't think he is that good a player to be honest, and I think he'll be back in League in a few years time anyway.

I think that's basically down to a lack of depth in English Centres and probably Englands first choice Centre Ryan Atkins being ruled out through injury...

But as has been noted earlier by a Wakey fan, Atkins was totally outplayed by Senior when they came up against each other in SL this year. Likewise Shenton. When Cas had their most embarassing performance of the season (over 60 points conceded at Sheddingly) a lot of the points came as a result of Senior running over the top of Shenton.

People have been decrying Senior and Gleeson at centre for the last few years but the fact is we still don't have anyone close to 'em for the test berths.

I'd give Ellis a place there against the Aussies cos he's the only one who will match up defensively to what is an awesome Aussie threequarter line and lets face it, on last nights showing we won't be losing anything in attack by playing a forward there!

Eastmond is possibly the only player England have got that could provide the 'X' factor so he's got to be in somewhere. Playing him at centre or fullback would be a risk defensively but it's a case of play it safe and try and keep the score to a respectable level (a policy Gt Britain followed for too long against the Aussies ie. playing forwards in the halves for their defensive abilities) or take a risk and see what happens....

Theres Super League teams with better backlines than ours too.

Briscoe
Hall
Ellis
Shenton
Smith
Tomkins
Myler
Peacock
McGuire
Graham
Burgess
Morley
Sinfield

Roby
Carvell
Westwood
Eastmond

I've not picked a team, and if I did I'd leave Briscoe in now. It's a sad reflection (generally, not talking about specific players now) though that you have to be poor to be dropped, rather than good to retain your place.

some people seem keen on a bench with only 2 forwards on it and roby and another back. seems like suicide to me that, we are strongest in the pack lets try take em on down the middle

Playing Eastmond at FB will be suicide.
We need other options if S Bricoe isnt gunna be the one.

As an Aussie my head goes for the "Three forwards and a utility back" when I think of a bench.

Your bench is just an extension of your forward rotation really.


I dont think England will beat Australia anywhere on the park, they won't come close, but at the same time I don't think there is any hope in hell that some back is gonna come off the bench and blow us away.

i agree. our only chance is to try and smother the play as best we can. our attacking line was so pathetic last night it's likely to be individual pieces of skill which will lead to breaks rather than good passing plays. we need to try lure you into an arm wrestle (or whatever stupid phrase you wanna use) and try get you rattled. having shenton or eastmond/tomkins plus roby on the bench is pointless imo

to me tomkins and crabtree both need to be in the 17, we need a forward who can offload and a halfback who can make a break for me the team would be

1- eastmond
2-hall
3-bridge
4-ellis
5-fox
6-mcguire
7-tomkins
8-graham
9-roby
10-peacock
11-burgess
12-wilkin
13-sinfield
14- crabtree
15-moore
16-morley
17- carvell

1. briscoe
2. briscoe
3. smith
4. shenton
5. hall
6. tomkins
7. myler
8. peacock
9. roby
10. graham
11. ellis
12. burgess
13. sinfield

14. morley
15. carvell
16. westwood
17. mcguire

Whoever we play we are going to get stuffed. We are all doomed I tell you

1 - Shaun Briscoe
2 - Fox
3 - Bridge
4 - Smith
5 - Hall
6 - Tomkins
7 - Myler
8 - Morley
9 - Diskin
10 - Peacock
11 - Ellis
12 - Burgess
13 - Sinfield

14 - Graham
15 - Carvell
16 - Roby
17 - Westwood

I believe that we should try out the young half backs, we may aswell give it a go because McGuire wasn't great yesterday. Diskin should start with Roby on the bench because Moore also had a shocker. We needed 2 props on the bench as the Aussie props are much bigger (and better for that matter).

The back are all too small. There is no size at all apart from Hall. The majority of Aussie and NZ backs are enormous freaks of nature.

We don't bring those types into the game in this country.

Smith
Fox
Briscoe
Ellis
Hall

McGuire
Tomkins

Graham
Roby
Morley

Peacock
Wilkin
Sinfield

Carvell
Westwood
Eastmond
Burgess

Biff and spoiling. That's GB's *only* chance. It's still only a small chance, but we definitely can't get into a skills competition. Load up the team with bruisers, psyche them up and get right at them. It'll be a much better spectacle too

1. Briscoe-throwing Eastmond in at fb would be suicide for England and him)

2. Fox-not because Briscoe has done anything wrong but Fox has the edge on size and speed
3. Ellis- basically because i don't want Lee Smith in and because he would help in atempting to contain the centres
4. Eastmond
5. Hall

6.Sinfield
7. Myler

8.Morley
9.Roby-Thought Moore had a bit of a nightmare
10.Graham

11.Peacock
12.Wilkin
13.Burgess

14.Crabtree
15.Carvell
16.Westwood
17.Moore

FB Briscoe, shaun - As good as anyone we have for this position
W Fox - As good as anyone we have for this position
C Ellis - we have the fwds avail to put ellis here
C Smith, Lee - is off to union, but you have to ask..whos better?
W Hall - As good as anyone we have for this position
SO Brough - hard/good long and short kicking game/ tackles/ rattles cages/takes teams on
SH Tomkins - you have to give him a shot on his performances at club level so far
P Morley - As good as anyone we have for this position
H Roby - good enough
P Peacock - good enough
SR Mason - As good as anyone we have for this position - wont take a backwards step - easily hudds stand out fwd all yr
SR Wilkin - good enough
LF Burgess - good enough

S Eastmond
S Carvell
S Crabtree
S Graham

Why are people picking players who haven't been included in the 24-MAN SQUAD?