He was.

No it's a case that a jumped up little turd sometimes get what he deserves.

As i've said I can see he has his faults but then so do alot of other players. That doesn't make his wrongs right and he does have things to work on.

That still doesn't take away from the fact that he's spoke about so often on here because he's such a talent and other niggly little gits aren't in his league meaning oppositions fans don't really give a t*ss about them.

So he is of the same quality as Ryan Bailey then.
Gotcha.

The day Sam Tomkins start sh*thousing like Ryan Bailey i'll be the first to put my hands up and even i'll want him decked



Nobody is in that league! Ryan Bailey is thug thats rubbish at rugby whereas Sam Tomkins is a player that lets his competative streak get the better of him now and again whilst coming up with some wonderful rugby league skills.

And you say you are looking at this with an unbiased view.

Sam Tomkins already has a worse disciplinary record than Ryan Bailey, he also wishes he has had as much success as Ryan Bailey and he isnt likely to have had the same success as Bailey when he reaches the age Bailey is now (he would need to win 3 out of the next 5 grand finals to do so). Sam Tomkins also has the same amount of international caps as Ryan Bailey.

A thread about a dirty little Wigan Chav like Tomkins turns into a Wigan hissy fit about a 6"4 17stone Black Yorkshireman? Classic Bailey

Bailey could be black, white or luminous pink for all I care. He's a to*ser of the highest order and an average joe at that. As it stands Ricky Bibey has won more trophies then Sam Tomkins aswell but like Bailey I don't fancy his skills much either.

28,000 posts and surely not many have been better

My Sam Tomkins picture and wigan Sig are just their to fool everyone into thinking I actually support them.

I'm infact a Dewsbury Blue Sox fan and therefore totally impartial

But Ricky Bibey hasnt got anywhere near being able to do it with the regularity that Bailey has. Ricky Bibey was a bit part player which won the challenge cup twice. He was then dumped and flitted between the lower reaches of SL and the Championship.

Ryan Bailey has won 4 Grand Finals, 2 World Club Challenges and appeared in two Challenge Cup Finals under 3 different managers, and has been picked to play by 3 different international managers.

He has done this, as a prop, without ever been sent off and without ever being banned.

Yet he is, apparently the antithesis and your defence of Sam Tomkins. A player who at the age of 22 has already been sinbinned and banned as well as charged with such brave and noble offences as leading with the knee, kicking out in the tackle, and of course running in and punching. He also has no where near the success Ryan Bailey has.

So whilst you may be right Tomkins and Bailey are diametrically opposed I dont think it was for the reasons you thought.

He's sh*t. I hate the way opposition fans don't like him. Hope he goes to Un*on.

i could take tomkins. give him a damn good bitch slapping, pimp style right upside da face!

and im not even hard.

are you for real



he sh*thouses in every game WITHOUT FAIL.. that's why everyone has this opinion of him.

Thought so

Quote ="Richie"He must have been awfully busy before that then. I hadn't felt he had "gone missing" in the game. According to the details here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488230 he seemed the busiest of the backs across both teams, with just a couple of the 33 other players involved making more carries. Is it an English thing to always want to bring down our best players?'" Strange things with facts. They tend to make most of the posters on this topic look like pill*cks.

Quote ="Richie"He must have been awfully busy before that then. I hadn't felt he had "gone missing" in the game. According to the details here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488230 he seemed the busiest of the backs across both teams, with just a couple of the 33 other players involved making more carries. Is it an English thing to always want to bring down our best players?'" Strange things with facts. They tend to make most of the posters on this topic look like pill*cks.

you would expect the fullback of a team on the backfoot for most of the match to have the ball a fair bit.

not sure how you think those stats show how tomkins had a good game... he was the 8th lowest meters per carry on the pitch.

87m from 17 carries, 10 tackles, 1 error against, 1 penalty against.

Could you explain how those stats make most of the posters on this topic look like pillocks?

Never read much into metres per carry for pivot players - Sinfield often has the lowest MPC for Leeds for example.

Those stats show the player accused of spending most of the game hiding made more carries than any other back, and made the third highest number of carries out of all 34 players. He also made 300% the number of tackle busts of his nearest competitor.

No he just play acts and pretends he has been shot whenever anyone comes within ten feet of him after he has kicked the ball.



He always seems to go off injured when Warrington are losing too



You were spot on with ST though! Dirty little sod.

I think the point was Richie that carries figures for full-backs are often distorted, as they'll be bringing the ball back from kick returns adding carries and metres particularly if the opposition have the bulk of possession. If he picks up a kick two metres from his line, crawls forward a yard and gets tackled, that'll go down as a carry.

I thought he'd spent the game hiding letting his wingers do all those kick returns?

It's a bit difficult -and trust me, in my occasional forays into the full-back role I've tried - to get out of the way of every kick that comes in your direction

no denying Briers can get opposition fans backs up with some of his antics.... however those are a million miles away from being a cheap shot merchant.

You do know the incident he went hiding after was in the second half?
Right?