Why? Would they really be more entertained watching their team getting spanked by Bradford than seeing a tight contest with Sheffield?

Probably not , but those wins against London and Wakey , and Ganson robbing us of a point against Hull could possibly make up for it

I still don't get it Starbug. From the sounds of things, everything that has been done to open up the game and make it a more appealing spectacle is irrelevant, and all fans are bothered about is who the opposition are?

You dont get it do you , it is sport , emotion , tribal controlled violence

Why do we like,love,need sport ?

Basically to stop us killing each other

An appealling spectacle



You are right , you really dont get ' it '

So why rugby league then? I understand the POV even if I don't agree with it. But why is it rugby league the fans do (or don't....how many prefer Leigh RMI or whatever they're called nowadays) watch? If it's just this "sport , emotion , tribal controlled violence" then it could as easily by soccer, RU, ice hockey or anything.

I brought this point up on ages on your board in pre season when I was having my 'Leigh board' holiday and was laughed out of the place.
Dont start pretending its a fair comment now.

Will putting in Keighley Cougars solve this problem?

Plenty do prefer football, they might not necessarily watch Leigh Genesis but the pubs are packed for football games on the box, and there are thousands in Leigh who have season tickets at Bolton, Wigan, Man Utd & Man City. I don't think there would be too many Bolton or Latics fans had franchising been brought in to football and left them consigned to the lower leagues for all eternity in the way that RL clubs are perceived to be.

Well we know football fans don't go to watch the spectacle of the game itself, because it's always poor. Never has anything been as incorrectly named as "The Beautiful Game"



Why is it franchising is always seen as "consigning to the lower leagues for all eternity" which it never has been.
It's simply a way of requiring more than a single set of results from a single team to decide the league a club play in.

Of course it will













The Cougars are a dead duck with minimal interest and are laying people off.

Progressive or what!!!!!!

The current chair reckons the club will get a franchise in 2015





Not sure what type mind you but it wont be a soooooperdoooooooper league one.

BUT!!!!!!!

If it happens (and it's not impossible) then the game in this country will be going from strength to strength and will SOLD OUT at all venues. The national side will be beating all and sundry by massive margins and there will be a minimal smattering of overseas players and coaches involved in the game here if at all!


You can see that happening form where the game is now can't you.

I can now, thanks Leaguefan

In the same way that RL isn't strong enough to have a genuine 'league ' competition decided that way either , we need to have a 27 match qualifying competition to decide who gets to play at home in the real comp which is the play offs

Get rid of location and subjective criteria and I doubt anybody would have a problem with franchising

Not sure you can have a set of criteria that is entirely objective, almost everything involves some area of subjectivity.
Why shouldn't location be a factor?

Why would finishing with a playoff series imply the league isn't strong enough (whatever that means) and why would a playoff series imply the league isn't genuine?

The fact you ask these questions tells me one of three things

1 you don't understand what sport is really about

2 you are trying to be ' smokey ' clever

3 you are truly thick

1. Maybe my belief in what sport is truly about is just different to yours.
2. Nope
3.

Away you go ?

I'm all ears , well eyes actually , but you know what I mean

The spectacle and appeal and entertainment of the sport itself. I'd already said that. You laughted at the idea of that. It's as if you are not entertained by watching the sport of rugby league being played.

Ask the residents of the South stand at Leeds if that is why they watch the game ?

If it was the spectacle then nobody would watch anything other than a big club in a big stadium full of people

If it was just for entertainment I could watch Leigh East under 10 s for free

Do Leight East Under 10s demonstrate the skills of the game to as great a standard as Leigh Centurions? (nicely cued you up for a sarcy answer there)

If it's just this emotion and tribality we're basing the game on, then the increasing mobility of the country's population, with people feeling a lesses and lesser attachment to the place they live, then crowds are certainly going to decline. As you quoted yourself, you're seeing fewer and fewer young fans. Why? Because they're not interested in "emotion , tribal controlled violence to spot them killing each other " they want entertainment.

Most young people wouldn't know "entertainment" if it came and smacked them in the face.


They are fed a barrage of indifferent noise masquerading as music

, A diet of "reality" shows and soaps to show just how miserable their lives are, and follow sertain sports glorying in the success that they themselves will never even to aspire to.

Add that to the garbage that they eat and drink and a quick blast from an iffy substance and that's yer yoof of today.

It pains me to hear that yoof is still bored and want entertaining cos there is "nothing to do" and they ain't got a clue what entertainment is.

OK it's a sweeping generalisation but in someways I reckon it's not far off the mark.

Well when walking the dog this morning , came upon a ' local league ' football match , I settled down to watch , and although the skill on show was not quite up to the level usually seen at Old Trafford , for entertainment it could not have been beaten



The spectacle wasn't as good I'll admit , the stadium was definatley sub standard and a poor crowd really , being 3 adults , 4 kids and 2 dogs

No, they're just entertained by different things to what entertains you, as you are entertained by different things to they.

Soccer? Entertaining?

You could broadly call it football at a pinch

Wiki definition, does, or should have people checking that were actually doing right by all of Rugby League in some circumstamces, i raise only the question and consideration.

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