Time for you to stop talking and start listening then

I thought you were just a trolling AFL whore? Didn't realize you were an RL fan. How long have you liked RL? How come you know fsk all about the game?

see what i mean when i say bitter old mans club?

i get a lot of joy out of RL.

especially in the areas its growing

i feel sorry for you guys that RL seems to make you so bitter

to me being a RL fan means being happy if salford, wakey, cas, saints, bradford etc get new grounds.

it means you are happy when crusaders get a 2nd chance at wrexham

it means more than worrying about just your own club

and puttting your club before the good of the game - certainly not.

Dally - you're just a flaky little Antipodean who's only interest in life is to come on here and troll. You have NO interest in the game whatsoever. Absolutely none. As for putting Club before the game - you obviously aren't a fan of any club and do not understand what it means to be a "diehard" fan. Most on here ARE concerned about the game as a whole. Concerned at the cock-ups by the RFL and concerned at the apparent lack of any cohesive plans for the future expansion of the game. If you think Wrexham and what happened in Wales is the right way to go then you're sadly deluded. Half-assed expansionism is what most people object to but you're a balck and white kinda guy aren't you? I just don't think you have the intellect to distinguish between a well thought out expansion plan and one that's half baked. You'd be happy to see five failures for one success. You can't see how much that would damage the game in the time it took.

Stick to aerial ping pong mate - it's about your level.

Whilst I agree that a clubs colours are important at developing an identity, I think they've done the right thing in this case. IIRC the away kit was very similar to the Wales Union kit ie red and white whilst the home kit was just a bog standard kit you could see anywhere. I think tying themselves more to the Welsh with a traditionally Welsh home kit is a good move.

I agree with you on your other post about the possible name change to Wrexham Crusaders. I think that, whilst obviously annoying for original "Celtic" supporters it is better to develop the identity around a town rather than a large area. That might work in the NRL but I dont think that works in Britain. It's part of the reason London Broncos never took on as well as it could have done, because London is too big an area to easily develop an identity while Harlequins or in this case Wrexham is much easier to develop and much easier to market.

its just so easy blaming all your (clubs) problems on someone else.

many RL clubs have prospered in england. is their success because of the RFL?

or is it only when clubs fail its the RFLs fault and any successes are the clubs.

like i said before you guys are anti expansion.

your views towards expansion are biased by your own clubs failure

You're pathetic Dally.

It's true though. If you're good enough you'll end up in SL.
Widnes will be there in 2012, they are the current Championship benchmark and I think most of their fans would agree, they're in a very very strong position since their restructuring over the past few years.

Would you care to list these clubs that have prospered ? According to the latest accounts for most clubs there has been very little prospering going on.

Where has littlerich done this? Once again you are making things up. Go back to the AFL.

wigan, warrington, hudds, hull kr, st helens, catalans for sure.

only an idiot would use financial profitability to gauge the success of a sporting club.

club failure = RFLs fault
clubs success = clubs efforts.

the current RFL leadership is the best its ever had.

if only it had people in place like this in 1895 you wouldnt be where you are.

indeed id take richard lewis over here if he was interested

what hes managed to achieve over there with a marginal sport, one can only imagine what he could achieve in australia.

the fact that he wasnt afraid to try france again after PSG or wales again after previous failure. for getting a massive tv rights increase last time which included expansion of SL by 2 spots and more money for clubs, and also getting nl1 and 2 games on TV to good audiences.

the guy is dead set brilliant

I agree Dally.
He makes mistakes but such a small sport needs to take risks to exapand or die trying. I did say somewhere else though for the next deal i'd maybe be looking at consolidation rather than expansion. There's many clubs in financial trouble and i'd look at keeping the caps the same and increasing the tv deal

Only an idiot would ignore it. It's not hard to achieve "success" by spending money you don't have. Problem is that you have to pay it back and if you can't then everything collapses.

In other words, his opinions were bigotted flatcap rants before but now you know he's Welsh the exact same opinions are "okay".

Only an absolute imbecile would realise that businesses who rely on input from one investor are a house of cards waiting to fall. Businesses which have no real assets to their name either. Google the name Brooks Mileson and learn something.

On-field success is no measure of the business - for the best example look what happened to Wigan after their prolonged domination of the sport. Virtually bankrupt and having to sell the family silver to survive.

I reckon ~80% of SL clubs are a heart attack away from administration. But hey, so long as they're 'prospering' then that's ok

But that doesn't answer my question. I asked you where littlerich has blamed anyone else for problems the team he supports has had?

He can't. As i've pointed out on many many many occasions Dally makes things up to pan out threads and, stupidly i know, people like us respond. He's nothing but a flaky troll. His posts lack substance and to be honest, he comes across as thick as pig sh[ii[/it.

As for Halifax - our problems stem from the fact that not enough people are coming through the turnstiles and yes, that's the club's problem to sort. This is why Widnes are best poised for 2012 because (millionaire businessman aside) they are getting the attendances. But dally doesn't read these parts of people's posts because it'll destroy his reason for living.

I can see a second side using the same stadium would bring some rent-relief to the AFC. Won't be a major profit though.
Obviously the Wrexam boss thinks it will be to their advantage, didn't think they were a registered charity!

It's still a marginal sport. The only difference before his arrival into RL is that clubs have higher debts now.

Unlike you though, i see the wider picture. It's not black and white. It's not his fault - it's the fault of the clubs and chairmen. They spend the cash. There Dally. A simple example of rational thought, rather than some flaky link between who you think is to blame for a given problem in the game.

<sigh?>

whats a RL club having assets mean for its financial future?

donny had a whole heap of land around tattersfield and went broke

fev own a lot of land around their ground and they arent exactly rolling in it

most sporting clubs around the world rely on external sources of income.

how many Premier LEague soccer clubs would survive without their sugar dadies?

but let me summarise the bitter old man thinking :

sugar daddy in soccer = sustainable, healthy
sugar daddy in RL = imminent failure

yeah richard lewis is going to turn around 80 years of poor RFL management (maurice lindsay aside, he did a good job) straight away?

les cats are a shining success. the immunity from relegation saved them. their success is a mark of him.

but all i hear is how the RFLs plans for expansion are poorly thought out.

the fact you dont get enough fans through the gate is your clubs fault. its a failure over a very long time

frankly for a supposed heartland club its very, very poor.

as ive said before, where RL falls down is the failure of many heartland clubs to be as strong as they should be,