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Deary me. You had an opportunity to groundshare, calling it baseless is absolutely laughable as it had about as much credibility as anything else mooted in the last 10 years clearly. Nothing else has actually materialised in the last decade of empty promises so of equal credibility as the promise of a brand spanking new stadium. Instead you just buy back the old one, stick up a couple of second hand bus shelters, get rid of some old porta cabins and maybe replace them with some newer ones- but we will still be using them to p*ss in. And the view will still be shocking. No amount of personal insults is going to change that fact- although it might help you deflect some of the shame you ought to feel and project it elsewhere. Good job I’m a big girl and don’t go running to the mods isn’t it.
Your behaviour on this board just reinforces what I see on the crumbling terraces from the fans at wakey. (Well you can’t see much of the game) What is there to like?
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| Quote ="jools"Deary me. You had an opportunity to groundshare, calling it baseless is absolutely laughable as it had about as much credibility as anything else mooted in the last 10 years clearly. Nothing else has actually materialised in the last decade of empty promises so of equal credibility as the promise of a brand spanking new stadium. Instead you just buy back the old one, stick up a couple of second hand bus shelters, get rid of some old porta cabins and maybe replace them with some newer ones- but we will still be using them to p*ss in. And the view will still be shocking. No amount of personal insults is going to change that fact- although it might help you deflect some of the shame you ought to feel and project it elsewhere. Good job I’m a big girl and don’t go running to the mods isn’t it.
Your behaviour on this board just reinforces what I see on the crumbling terraces from the fans at wakey. (Well you can’t see much of the game) What is there to like?'"
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| Feel sorry for your other half if you've got one with your constant droning all the time do you ever shut up 
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Your behaviour on this board just reinforces what I see on the crumbling terraces from the fans at wakey. (Well you can’t see much of the game) What is there to like?'"
Once again we can’t scrounge off a football club like you plastics. |
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| Quote ="jools"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bradford-west-yorkshire-10756978
are you seriously trying to take some kind of moral high ground here? I've had a go at the decisions made by the club, and your terrible facilities, what I have not done is made personal comments or called anyone names.
have a go at my club and fans in general if you must but but I've been called a hag, an idiot, a sad person, and the rest - not to mention the general misogyny on show. Think its you that must try harder. This is the kind of thing seen on the terraces we are trying to get rid of. You must be so proud.
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Without getting into pretty name calling… this is an interesting article… and requires more unpacking than I have the time or patience for… but hindsight gives a little context to the report…
1) at this time trinity were attempting to seal a deal which involved a section 106 agreement which would see private funding for the construction of a stadium and sundry community sports facilities as part of a development at Newmarket lane.. this required some green belt land to be released for the development and required Secretary of State approval.. this was granted in the light of the community facilities… (bear in mind that at the time Belle Vue was owned by the Bank of Ireland who weren’t interested in being sporting landlords)
2) Castleford were perusing their own development in the Gasshoughton area of Castleford and had advanced negotiations in place
3) neither involved council funding (to any great extent) but required council support in planning and facilities (roads power etc) however the leader of Wakefield council decided to promote that the two clubs should share a facility and that facility should be in Castleford… the outcome of the removal of Trinity from the City would have been a slow death as (anecdotally) most fans suggested they would not follow the club away from the city. (It is worth noting that the leader of Wakefield Council at the time was s Castleford shareholder) Trinity countered by offering a share at Newmarket
4) the council ( under guidance) decided that the advice of the SOS should not be followed and failed to put in place a legally binding 106 agreement for the Newmarket development and stadium complex… preferring a unilateral agreement … the developer drove a fleet of buses through this agreement and decided not to build the stadium… despite building the rest of the development on the newly reclassified ‘green belt’
5) further, the council.. were unwilling or unable to hold the developer to account… it also seems that a senior ( and supposedly independent) advisor to the club, had strong links to the developer and allegedly further undermined the Trinity Clubs attempts a recompense (under the new ownership) until all influence by this individual was severed.
Ultimately the Trinity club have managed to use the previous planning arrangements for a new stadium to secure a genuine 106 agreement and funding for the development of the East Stand and North Terrace at Belle Vue… in return for releasing the stadium land for other development… not perfect and certainly not just… but there it is… work starts in July
The stadium in Castleford mentioned in the article never reached a stage where construction and funding was feasible.. and has not been built (the council would never have funded a full build)… Castleford are now pursuing a redevelopment of their traditional home ground and potential funding packages… I wish them well.
These probably and economic, social, psychological, business and politics thesis to be written somewhere here and I’m only unpacking a small part of the story… but I hope it helps understanding rather that cat fighting |
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| Shock horror I should take offence at personal name calling. And still you are at it. But it’s somehow me that’s accused of vitriol. 
No I don’t like your club, not keen on Leeds Hull or Wire either. But only you poor wakey fans make it personal.
Carry on covering yourselves in glory. This is the best your club has to offer.
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Quote ="jools"you mean the merger we were forced into by the RFL? funny how hull never get the same stuff levelled at them though.'"
because the truth hurts
JOHN KEAR has described his season at Huddersfield as a ‘very unhappy time and one of the lowest periods’ in his coaching career.
When the Giants merged with Sheffield Eagles in 1999, Kear was charged with the task of making the combined club a major Super League force.
But in his newly-released book ‘Coaching is Chaos: A Life in Rugby’ (with Yorkshire Evening Post RL writer Peter Smith and produced by Scratching Shed Publishing Ltd) he has revealed it proved an almost impossible task.
It meant his stay at Huddersfield was shortlived – less than a season – but he still felt the experience helped make him a better coach.
He has also admitted he doesn’t hold anything against the club’s officials for what went on and still has total respect for everyone at Huddersfield – particularly now Kear and his current club, Co-operative Championship Batley Bulldogs, have formed an official partnership with the Giants!
“Rumours began to surface that the Eagles would be merging with Huddersfield Giants at the end of the year (1999), with the new outfit playing over in West Yorkshire,” he wrote.
“It was all done and dusted before we had the details confirmed, but I knew there was something drastically wrong when I was told we (Sheffield) had 11 players contracted for the year after and they were the only full-time players we would have.
“A Super League club couldn’t operate like that, with 11 full-timers and the rest part-time, so it was obvious things were afoot.
“When we joined forces with Huddersfield it was billed as a merger, but in reality it was a take-over. They – Huddersfield – had a benefactor in Ken Davy who was willing to bankroll them, but we didn’t have those sorts of resources.
=#FF0000“Huddersfield had finished bottom in 1999, for the second successive year, and the ‘merger’ meant they retained their Super League status, but they were the dominant partner in every respect, as illustrated by the name: Huddersfield-Sheffield Giants.
“They had a superb facility and a wealthy backer, but their team wasn’t good enough.
“We had the better players and confirmed Super League status.
“We were sold it as an equal partnership, with the plan being to play seven home games at Bramall Lane and a similar number in Huddersfield.
“Half the training was going to be in Sheffield and half in Huddersfield.
“When it came to it, all the training was in Huddersfield and the =#FF0000plan to share games between the two venues was quickly dropped.
“In August, they played Castleford at Bramall Lane and only 2,102 fans turned up. It was announced after that there would be no more matches in Sheffield, which I am sure was the plan all along. I say ‘they’ because I had moved on by then.
“The ‘merger’ was confirmed on September 30, 1999 and I left the club on July 13 the following year. It was a very unhappy time and one of the lowest periods of my coaching career.
“I wasn’t able to appoint my own staff, both Steve Deakin and Simon Worsnop were released and I was told I had to take Huddersfield assistant Phil Veivers and their conditioner Trevor Commons.
“When the merger was announced I should have walked away. I stayed put and lived to regret it.
“The cultures at the Eagles and Giants were very different.
“Gary Hetherington is a tough task master and always very careful with his cash.
“His legacy was that players at Sheffield tended to be overworked and under-paid, whereas it was the opposite at Huddersfield.
“An example: In my first-choice team I had Darren Turner on the bench, with Johnny Lawless as my starting hooker.
“The third rake in the organisation was Danny Russell, who was retained from Giants’ previous squad. Johnny and Rocky’s payments combined were less than what Danny Russell was on.
“Johnny, who is someone I like a lot, pulled me to one side about that and made it clear he wasn’t happy. I had every sympathy for him.
“The squad was divided into a number of cliques, there were the ex-Sheffield and ex-Huddersfield players, plus an overseas group and another who travelled over together from St Helens.
“Getting everybody to mix was really difficult and the gulf in wages among some of the players only added to the problems.
“I did try to put structures and systems in place and I think that was a minor success. After I left, Tony Smith came over from Australia to take the post and he complimented me on the job I had done there.
“In League and Cup, I was in charge for 19 games and we lost all but three of them, including a run of 10 straight defeats at one stage.
“You live and learn and I think the tough experiences I had at Shuddersfield made me a better coach.
“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger and I am a firm believer that reflective learning – learning from experience – is the best method of education.”
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ch-4936395
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because the truth hurts
JOHN KEAR has described his season at Huddersfield as a ‘very unhappy time and one of the lowest periods’ in his coaching career.
When the Giants merged with Sheffield Eagles in 1999, Kear was charged with the task of making the combined club a major Super League force.
But in his newly-released book ‘Coaching is Chaos: A Life in Rugby’ (with Yorkshire Evening Post RL writer Peter Smith and produced by Scratching Shed Publishing Ltd) he has revealed it proved an almost impossible task.
It meant his stay at Huddersfield was shortlived – less than a season – but he still felt the experience helped make him a better coach.
He has also admitted he doesn’t hold anything against the club’s officials for what went on and still has total respect for everyone at Huddersfield – particularly now Kear and his current club, Co-operative Championship Batley Bulldogs, have formed an official partnership with the Giants!
“Rumours began to surface that the Eagles would be merging with Huddersfield Giants at the end of the year (1999), with the new outfit playing over in West Yorkshire,” he wrote.
“It was all done and dusted before we had the details confirmed, but I knew there was something drastically wrong when I was told we (Sheffield) had 11 players contracted for the year after and they were the only full-time players we would have.
“A Super League club couldn’t operate like that, with 11 full-timers and the rest part-time, so it was obvious things were afoot.
“When we joined forces with Huddersfield it was billed as a merger, but in reality it was a take-over. They – Huddersfield – had a benefactor in Ken Davy who was willing to bankroll them, but we didn’t have those sorts of resources.
=#FF0000“Huddersfield had finished bottom in 1999, for the second successive year, and the ‘merger’ meant they retained their Super League status, but they were the dominant partner in every respect, as illustrated by the name: Huddersfield-Sheffield Giants.
“They had a superb facility and a wealthy backer, but their team wasn’t good enough.
“We had the better players and confirmed Super League status.
“We were sold it as an equal partnership, with the plan being to play seven home games at Bramall Lane and a similar number in Huddersfield.
“Half the training was going to be in Sheffield and half in Huddersfield.
“When it came to it, all the training was in Huddersfield and the =#FF0000plan to share games between the two venues was quickly dropped.
“In August, they played Castleford at Bramall Lane and only 2,102 fans turned up. It was announced after that there would be no more matches in Sheffield, which I am sure was the plan all along. I say ‘they’ because I had moved on by then.
“The ‘merger’ was confirmed on September 30, 1999 and I left the club on July 13 the following year. It was a very unhappy time and one of the lowest periods of my coaching career.
“I wasn’t able to appoint my own staff, both Steve Deakin and Simon Worsnop were released and I was told I had to take Huddersfield assistant Phil Veivers and their conditioner Trevor Commons.
“When the merger was announced I should have walked away. I stayed put and lived to regret it.
“The cultures at the Eagles and Giants were very different.
“Gary Hetherington is a tough task master and always very careful with his cash.
“His legacy was that players at Sheffield tended to be overworked and under-paid, whereas it was the opposite at Huddersfield.
“An example: In my first-choice team I had Darren Turner on the bench, with Johnny Lawless as my starting hooker.
“The third rake in the organisation was Danny Russell, who was retained from Giants’ previous squad. Johnny and Rocky’s payments combined were less than what Danny Russell was on.
“Johnny, who is someone I like a lot, pulled me to one side about that and made it clear he wasn’t happy. I had every sympathy for him.
“The squad was divided into a number of cliques, there were the ex-Sheffield and ex-Huddersfield players, plus an overseas group and another who travelled over together from St Helens.
“Getting everybody to mix was really difficult and the gulf in wages among some of the players only added to the problems.
“I did try to put structures and systems in place and I think that was a minor success. After I left, Tony Smith came over from Australia to take the post and he complimented me on the job I had done there.
“In League and Cup, I was in charge for 19 games and we lost all but three of them, including a run of 10 straight defeats at one stage.
“You live and learn and I think the tough experiences I had at Shuddersfield made me a better coach.
“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger and I am a firm believer that reflective learning – learning from experience – is the best method of education.”
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Maybe she'll get back to you when she's got the kids off to school and the brekky things have been washed up, though I doubt if she'll have time to read all of that |
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| Quote ="jools"Deary me. You had an opportunity to groundshare, calling it baseless is absolutely laughable as it had about as much credibility as anything else mooted in the last 10 years clearly. Nothing else has actually materialised in the last decade of empty promises so of equal credibility as the promise of a brand spanking new stadium. Instead you just buy back the old one, stick up a couple of second hand bus shelters, get rid of some old porta cabins and maybe replace them with some newer ones- but we will still be using them to p*ss in. And the view will still be shocking. No amount of personal insults is going to change that fact- although it might help you deflect some of the shame you ought to feel and project it elsewhere. Good job I’m a big girl and don’t go running to the mods isn’t it.
Your behaviour on this board just reinforces what I see on the crumbling terraces from the fans at wakey. (Well you can’t see much of the game) What is there to like?'"
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Please keep things on topic and non-personal.
A reminder, responses should be about the post NOT the person posting.
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Lets not forget the merged clubs were favoured during the mergers, both received double funding IIRC and in Hull FC's case it stopped them going into financial administration. The KC (now MKM) was built by HCC with the profits made from the KC sale. All three Hull clubs were offered the facility but HKR refused, preferring to play on their Craven Park ground, which in hindsight has proved the correct decision. The SMC at the time was bought by Hull City because Hull FC either refused or were not financially able to participate and Adam Pearson, at the time the CEO at Hull City, negotiated the terms and conditions with his Hull FC counterpart. Ironical really that he now complaining about these very same terms and condition.
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The current landlord of Odsal Stadium is a member led organisation. Do we all agree that the state of Odsal is so poor that the landlords should immediately request substantial renovation funds from their members?
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"The current landlord of Odsal Stadium is a member led organisation. Do we all agree that the state of Odsal is so poor that the landlords should immediately request substantial renovation funds from their members?'"
Agreed, since the RFL took on the head lease they've not lived up to their responsibilities as custodians of the sport.
It's all well and good people arguing about a pokey dump like Belle Vue but it's hardly significant is it? When the game is in danger of losing such an important asset like Odsal. |
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Agreed, since the RFL took on the head lease they've not lived up to their responsibilities as custodians of the sport.
It's all well and good people arguing about a pokey dump like Belle Vue but it's hardly significant is it? When the game is in danger of losing such an important asset like Odsal.'"
Do you honestly believe that rugby league fans throughout the game have any concerns regarding Odsal. I’m confident that very few none Bradford supporters will loose any sleep should the “important asset “ as you describe Odsal is finally consigned to history books. |
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Do you honestly believe that rugby league fans throughout the game have any concerns regarding Odsal. I’m confident that very few none Bradford supporters will loose any sleep should the “important asset “ as you describe Odsal is finally consigned to history books.'"
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"They should do shouldn’t they but you’re probably right this country’s going down the pan.'"
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Agreed, since the RFL took on the head lease they've not lived up to their responsibilities as custodians of the sport.
It's all well and good people arguing about a pokey dump like Belle Vue but it's hardly significant is it? When the game is in danger of losing such an important asset like Odsal.'"
Odsal is an absolute dump. When you walk in it’s like walking into the 1800’s
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Odsal is an absolute dump. When you walk in it’s like walking into the 1800’s
I’m pretty sure I nearly caught the plague last time I went'"
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"They should do shouldn’t they but you’re probably right this country’s going down the pan.'"
Even in the glory years, Odsal only ever had "loads of potential", it has never been the "iconic" stadium that some have tried to convince the world about..
Yes, it's the ground that holds the record for the largest ever RL attendance and those images are just incredible.
However, the bottom line is that an all singing, all dancing new ground would be both better and cheaper than a redevelopment at Odsal.
In hindsight, The RFL would have been better putting their cash into a new ground and not propping up the hole that is Odsal
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Odsal is an absolute dump. When you walk in it’s like walking into the 1800’s
I’m pretty sure I nearly caught the plague last time I went'"
Shame you didn’t catch it |
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Odsal is an absolute dump. When you walk in it’s like walking into the 1800’s
I’m pretty sure I nearly caught the plague last time I went'"
Sounds a bit far fetched. We’ve been plague free since the 80’s. |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Even in the glory years, Odsal only ever had "loads of potential", it has never been the "iconic" stadium that some have tried to convince the world about..
Yes, it's the ground that holds the record for the largest ever RL attendance and those images are just incredible.
However, the bottom line is that an all singing, all dancing new ground would be both better and cheaper than a redevelopment at Odsal.
In hindsight, The RFL would have been better putting their cash into a new ground and not propping up the hole that is Odsal
It's a "natural" bowl but, this is the beginning and end of the story.'"
I agree it was potentially the Wembley of the north but the RFL haven’t spent the money in order to bring that about. In fact it’s criminal the way they’ve let the ground fall into such a state of disrepair.
I don’t think hindsight is a defence for their lack of effort in sorting out their ground. Shocking when you think about it. |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Even in the glory years, Odsal only ever had "loads of potential", it has never been the "iconic" stadium that some have tried to convince the world about..
Yes, it's the ground that holds the record for the largest ever RL attendance and those images are just incredible.
However, the bottom line is that an all singing, all dancing new ground would be both better and cheaper than a redevelopment at Odsal.
In hindsight, The RFL would have been better putting their cash into a new ground and not propping up the hole that is Odsal
It's a "natural" bowl but, this is the beginning and end of the story.'"
It's hardly natural once a quarry then filled a shaped with 140,000 cart loads of household waste deposited to form the characteristic banking at Odsal. |
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| Quote ="Willzay"Shame you didn’t catch it'"
I don’t step foot in Wakefield so I very much doubt I am liable to catch diseases linked to poor hygiene |
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You don’t step out of your mother’s basement, of course you’re not going to catch anything
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