I said it in reply to you absolute rubbish about why if vaccines work do unvaccinated people present a risk to vaccinated people.

It's because seatbelts work, but people who were them are still at risk from people who wear them, but more than likely from people who stepped, drink drive, take drugs and have a careless/reckless attitude towards others and rules.

Now you cam deliberately ignore the obvious, put a smiley sunglass emoji on as many replies as you want but it's simple.
If you have had the vaccines you are far less.likely to contract, spread the virus and far less.likely to be hospitalised or suffer serious illness or death.

Wow....what a great rugby thread


Vax passports or "cindy certs" as we call them here are mandatory if you want a beer or meal in a bub, bar, cafe restaurant. That's the norm now and there's a hefty fine for the businesses that don't adhere
92% of us are double jabbed.
We still have to wear masks in most places
We don't like lock downs, passports or all the other stuff.....BUT.....we have just 51 dead bodies in 2 years.
Selfish people who won't get vaccinated are similar to the idiots who left lights on at night during the blitz.
We, the human race, are in this together, but for some unfathomable reason a tiny % of unqualified loons with internet access think they know better.
Omicron looks like the begining of the end....it's weaker...but it will still impact the old and infirm, so do your bit and reduce the risk of you either getting ill or passing it on and get the jab.
As for next season......I predict it'll involve a few postponed fixtures but as the year progresses we will return to a semblance of normality with no cancelations and St Helens lifting the trophy at old trafford

i dont disagree with that just leave those who dont want the jab alone they have the right to that choice/ i am fully jabbed but dont give a f*k about anybody else its there choice

Frank opted Not to be vaccinated....fit 38yr old guy who has always suffered with asthma but it didn't stop him playing at the highest level
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he had the right to his choice and its nothing to do with anybody else/ its sad yes but its his right

Its everything to do with everyone else, all the Dr nurses other staff who have had to treat him, resources that could be utilised elsewhere, just because idiots think they know more than medical professionals and scientists, if he had the jabs he would not be in hospital, but he wants “ his right, his choice” but when it goes titz up their national health service and tax payers to pay up.

For me anyone who refuses to have the vaccine, if they get covid should have any treatment refused or a best have to provide a credit card up front, only way to get through to these morons why should rest of society have to keep giving up for these morons, they deserve to be excluded from society f**$k the stupid c**nts

Quote ="rollin thunder"Its everything to do with everyone else, all the Dr nurses other staff who have had to treat him, resources that could be utilised elsewhere, just because idiots think they know more than medical professionals and scientists, if he had the jabs he would not be in hospital, but he wants “ his right, his choice” but when it goes titz up their national health service and tax payers to pay up. For me anyone who refuses to have the vaccine, if they get covid should have any treatment refused or a best have to provide a credit card up front, only way to get through to these morons why should rest of society have to keep giving up for these morons, they deserve to be excluded from society f**$k the stupid c**nts'" You just carry on believing the fear fear fear of the msm and then you can have one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnuJgvQB7kU

Quote ="rollin thunder"Its everything to do with everyone else, all the Dr nurses other staff who have had to treat him, resources that could be utilised elsewhere, just because idiots think they know more than medical professionals and scientists, if he had the jabs he would not be in hospital, but he wants “ his right, his choice” but when it goes titz up their national health service and tax payers to pay up. For me anyone who refuses to have the vaccine, if they get covid should have any treatment refused or a best have to provide a credit card up front, only way to get through to these morons why should rest of society have to keep giving up for these morons, they deserve to be excluded from society f**$k the stupid c**nts'" You just carry on believing the fear fear fear of the msm and then you can have one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnuJgvQB7kU

Quote ="knockonknockon"You just carry on believing the fear fear fear of the msm and then you can have one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnuJgvQB7kU'" A year back I got sucked down the rabbit hole by a covid denier. So...I went to the registrar of births deaths and marriages for all 4 corners of the UK and got the average deaths for the 10 years 2010-19. Then I got the number for 2020 and it was about 120,000 over the average from the prior 10 years. So the question I have for 5henlunaric fringe is if covid didn't kill this extra 120k, what did? Then there the data conspiracy issues. The government already know l they need to about you. Your mobile phone listens to you and the adverts you see when browsing are targeted to be relevant to you. If you pay tax, they know how much you earn. If you have an NI number, they have your medical history....what else is it that you imbeciles think the government want to know? The vaccine pass is proof that you are less likely to have or pass on covid and here in NZ is needed to have a pint. I had to let staff go who weren't vaxed and the NZ government is making it hard for those people to get benefits.......correctly so in my eyes. But hey, when you have an answer that isn't from Qanon or some obscure site in the dark web, explain about the 120k extra deaths in 2020.....

Quote ="knockonknockon"You just carry on believing the fear fear fear of the msm and then you can have one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnuJgvQB7kU'" A year back I got sucked down the rabbit hole by a covid denier. So...I went to the registrar of births deaths and marriages for all 4 corners of the UK and got the average deaths for the 10 years 2010-19. Then I got the number for 2020 and it was about 120,000 over the average from the prior 10 years. So the question I have for 5henlunaric fringe is if covid didn't kill this extra 120k, what did? Then there the data conspiracy issues. The government already know l they need to about you. Your mobile phone listens to you and the adverts you see when browsing are targeted to be relevant to you. If you pay tax, they know how much you earn. If you have an NI number, they have your medical history....what else is it that you imbeciles think the government want to know? The vaccine pass is proof that you are less likely to have or pass on covid and here in NZ is needed to have a pint. I had to let staff go who weren't vaxed and the NZ government is making it hard for those people to get benefits.......correctly so in my eyes. But hey, when you have an answer that isn't from Qanon or some obscure site in the dark web, explain about the 120k extra deaths in 2020.....

nz is not uk so thats irrelevant/ i am waiting for someone to lament on here to the fact that there loved ones have been lost due to lack of treatment refused due to the ignorance of the over exaggerated bad cold of omicron

Quote ="knockonknockon"You just carry on believing the fear fear fear of the msm and then you can have one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnuJgvQB7kU'" Once again, KOKO, you have built a "straw man" and attacked it rather than addressing the argument made, and some have fallen for it!! Puroresu_boy frequently attacks his own straw men too. On the flip side, pretty sure that the previous poster diluted his/her genuine point by the tirade at the end, though.

Quote ="knockonknockon"You just carry on believing the fear fear fear of the msm and then you can have one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnuJgvQB7kU'" Once again, KOKO, you have built a "straw man" and attacked it rather than addressing the argument made, and some have fallen for it!! Puroresu_boy frequently attacks his own straw men too. On the flip side, pretty sure that the previous poster diluted his/her genuine point by the tirade at the end, though.

so what are you so scared of apart from a bad cold named omicron
what do you want people to do
how many folk on these forums have there own businesses and would jeopardise there livelihood over a bad cold
i feel i am being drawn to boohooing lefty snowflakes folk here/ well i dont buy it

On the other board were your banging the drum I won the BS BINGO when you used MSM
Now You've used Lefty and Snowflake in the same sentence I feel like you've just hit the Jackpot.

you do what you want to do and leave us normal people alone you can turn up at the lsv dressed as a mummy and feel safe as pyramids

thats not real for me but its real for you who believes in the narrative for protection thats why i said you can have one of these if you like:

Think the thread has gone a bit mad, it's irrelevant of individuals opinions on here of merits of vaccinations.
Currently un vaccinated players are unable to play in France, I know some clubs have 100% playing staff double vexed. That means some teams have many more than 20% unvaxed, am more interested in how the RFL will approach it. Of interest I believe Mark Kerelia at TO is very anti vax, not sure what's happening with him, if he is not jabbed he cannot play simple.
Believe one of clubs 100% jabbed are Catalans

And for benefit of doubt.
I stated that I don't know ow the situation with folk that claim exemptions from vax for any reason an example asthma, I do not know if its an acceptable reason.
Although I know several asthma sufferers that have had jabs with no side effects so far

thats discriminative

Once again, I have no idea what that means.
Still waiting on the link to I data, d data or whatever it was you said.

thats because you have never understood from the beginning but you keep pushing your false narrative

Quote ="rollin thunder"Its everything to do with everyone else, all the Dr nurses other staff who have had to treat him, resources that could be utilised elsewhere, just because idiots think they know more than medical professionals and scientists, if he had the jabs he would not be in hospital, but he wants “ his right, his choice” but when it goes titz up their national health service and tax payers to pay up. For me anyone who refuses to have the vaccine, if they get covid should have any treatment refused or a best have to provide a credit card up front, only way to get through to these morons why should rest of society have to keep giving up for these morons, they deserve to be excluded from society f**$k the stupid c**nts'" Can you show me where any public health official or scientist has claimed being vaccinated will guarantee you will never be hospitalised from covid? If you actually looked at the data released you will see it lists the percentage of all those hospitalised which are unvaccinated. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... erview.pdf 29/12 daily report the total hospitalised in England from Omricon unvaccinated was low., only 26% of persons were unvaccinated. But hey do keep pushing the narrative that the health system is having to waste resources which could be used elsewhere on the unvaccinated as nobody vaccinated ends up in hospital. Why should it just be unvaccinated people who need to pay for treatment if required? How about smokers? Heavy drinkers? Alcoholics? Recreational Drug users? Dangerous Drivers? The clinical obese who won't stop eating? Unhealthy people who go on to suffer from diabetes? Are those all ok on that moral high ground you sit on or should everyone who chooses not make the same life choices as you not recieve the same Healthcare you do even though they pay the same taxes you do?

Quote ="rollin thunder"Its everything to do with everyone else, all the Dr nurses other staff who have had to treat him, resources that could be utilised elsewhere, just because idiots think they know more than medical professionals and scientists, if he had the jabs he would not be in hospital, but he wants “ his right, his choice” but when it goes titz up their national health service and tax payers to pay up. For me anyone who refuses to have the vaccine, if they get covid should have any treatment refused or a best have to provide a credit card up front, only way to get through to these morons why should rest of society have to keep giving up for these morons, they deserve to be excluded from society f**$k the stupid c**nts'" Can you show me where any public health official or scientist has claimed being vaccinated will guarantee you will never be hospitalised from covid? If you actually looked at the data released you will see it lists the percentage of all those hospitalised which are unvaccinated. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... erview.pdf 29/12 daily report the total hospitalised in England from Omricon unvaccinated was low., only 26% of persons were unvaccinated. But hey do keep pushing the narrative that the health system is having to waste resources which could be used elsewhere on the unvaccinated as nobody vaccinated ends up in hospital. Why should it just be unvaccinated people who need to pay for treatment if required? How about smokers? Heavy drinkers? Alcoholics? Recreational Drug users? Dangerous Drivers? The clinical obese who won't stop eating? Unhealthy people who go on to suffer from diabetes? Are those all ok on that moral high ground you sit on or should everyone who chooses not make the same life choices as you not recieve the same Healthcare you do even though they pay the same taxes you do?

Well, given the fact that the majority of people in the UK are fully vaccinated, then most covid cases/deaths are going to involve vaccinated people. However, once this context is factored into the stats, the death rate is far lower in vaccinated people.

The more people who are vaccinated also significantly reduces the likelihood of further variants, as the body is likely to fight off the virus much quicker giving the virus less time to replicate and mutate. It would help if the pharmaceutical companies waved the patents on the vaccines so poorer countries could manufacture their own.

That balance has changed we are getting more un vaccinated people going into hospital and causing the current death rates. The load on the NHS is still rising and could reach a tipping point in the next couple of weeks, however from South Africa data the cycle lasts around 6 weeks. This is very close to our tipping point and thats why there is such a big push by the government and medical science to vaccinate.

We have around 150 000 hospital beds in the UK and normally in the winter period without Covid it has a take up of 90% which is 135 000 beds in use, That leaves us with a waterboard margin of 15 000 beds for Covid and people whohave delayed major illnesses caused by the Covid Load. Currently at the date of 31st December a few days ago we have 12 400 covid cases hospilised.

The other factor is that their is a drop in staff of at least 25% directly or indirectly through Covid, another tipping point which is adding to the NHS load.

Its a race of vaccinate restrictions and consideration against time because by maths we roughly have 2 400 hospital beds left, these next few weeks are critical and everyone is encouraged to do their bit. We might not follow the South Africa model because the UK has such a large density population spread which does us no favour with the transmission rate with an R rate greater than 3.

Quote ="Judder Man"That balance has changed we are getting more un vaccinated people going into hospital and causing the current death rates. The load on the NHS is still rising and could reach a tipping point in the next couple of weeks, however from South Africa data the cycle lasts around 6 weeks. This is very close to our tipping point and thats why there is such a big push by the government and medical science to vaccinate. We have around 150 000 hospital beds in the UK and normally in the winter period without Covid it has a take up of 90% which is 135 000 beds in use, That leaves us with a waterboard margin of 15 000 beds for Covid and people whohave delayed major illnesses caused by the Covid Load. Currently at the date of 31st December a few days ago we have 12 400 covid cases hospilised. The other factor is that their is a drop in staff of at least 25% directly or indirectly through Covid, another tipping point which is adding to the NHS load. Its a race of vaccinate restrictions and consideration against time because by maths we roughly have 2 400 hospital beds left, these next few weeks are critical and everyone is encouraged to do their bit. We might not follow the South Africa model because the UK has such a large density population spread which does us no favour with the transmission rate with an R rate greater than 3.'" Omricon daily report 31/12 still has unvaccinated hospitalised at 25%. These low percentages are no surprise though as even if the unvaccinated cases go up as long as one is young and healthy they will suffer some symptoms and then recover as well as then having some immunity for any future infections. Why natural immunity seems to be ignored and its a drive to keep pumping vaccines into people I have no idea. Studies have shown natural immunity is effective in stopping hospitalisation. https://twitter.com/virusmonologues/sta ... hQq2Q&s=19 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1

Quote ="Judder Man"That balance has changed we are getting more un vaccinated people going into hospital and causing the current death rates. The load on the NHS is still rising and could reach a tipping point in the next couple of weeks, however from South Africa data the cycle lasts around 6 weeks. This is very close to our tipping point and thats why there is such a big push by the government and medical science to vaccinate. We have around 150 000 hospital beds in the UK and normally in the winter period without Covid it has a take up of 90% which is 135 000 beds in use, That leaves us with a waterboard margin of 15 000 beds for Covid and people whohave delayed major illnesses caused by the Covid Load. Currently at the date of 31st December a few days ago we have 12 400 covid cases hospilised. The other factor is that their is a drop in staff of at least 25% directly or indirectly through Covid, another tipping point which is adding to the NHS load. Its a race of vaccinate restrictions and consideration against time because by maths we roughly have 2 400 hospital beds left, these next few weeks are critical and everyone is encouraged to do their bit. We might not follow the South Africa model because the UK has such a large density population spread which does us no favour with the transmission rate with an R rate greater than 3.'" Omricon daily report 31/12 still has unvaccinated hospitalised at 25%. These low percentages are no surprise though as even if the unvaccinated cases go up as long as one is young and healthy they will suffer some symptoms and then recover as well as then having some immunity for any future infections. Why natural immunity seems to be ignored and its a drive to keep pumping vaccines into people I have no idea. Studies have shown natural immunity is effective in stopping hospitalisation. https://twitter.com/virusmonologues/sta ... hQq2Q&s=19 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1

If you've had covid then the natural immunity you get by fighting it off is a better protection than a vaccine. Quite possibly, even probably. How recent the vaccine doses were given and whether you've had a booster are a factor to consider.

However, being vaccinated/boosted does appear to give a better statistical chance of avoiding severe illness, hospitalisation and death compared to having no previous protection.

Natural immunity is great, so long as catching covid doesn't kill you first!

Like many of you, I have some covid "vulnerable" friends. They're not unhealthy, obese, smokers, drinkers or whatever. Life has just dealt them a hand which means that they're more susceptible to disease/illness than others. Those that are happy socialise, mix, and spread the virus are putting the lives of these individuals at risk. They still need shop for basic needs, and why others blatantly ignore the simple requirement to wear a mask and keep a sensible distance is beyond me.

Quote ="puroresu_boy"Omricon daily report 31/12 still has unvaccinated hospitalised at 25%. These low percentages are no surprise though as even if the unvaccinated cases go up as long as one is young and healthy they will suffer some symptoms and then recover as well as then having some immunity for any future infections. Why natural immunity seems to be ignored and its a drive to keep pumping vaccines into people I have no idea. Studies have shown natural immunity is effective in stopping hospitalisation. https://twitter.com/virusmonologues/sta ... hQq2Q&s=19 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1'" Herd immunity would have succeeded at some point. The vaccine has probably cut the immunity time in half if not more. Memory cells create protection. But that often wears off has you escalate in life.. Hence flu jabs.

Quote ="puroresu_boy"Omricon daily report 31/12 still has unvaccinated hospitalised at 25%. These low percentages are no surprise though as even if the unvaccinated cases go up as long as one is young and healthy they will suffer some symptoms and then recover as well as then having some immunity for any future infections. Why natural immunity seems to be ignored and its a drive to keep pumping vaccines into people I have no idea. Studies have shown natural immunity is effective in stopping hospitalisation. https://twitter.com/virusmonologues/sta ... hQq2Q&s=19 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1'" Herd immunity would have succeeded at some point. The vaccine has probably cut the immunity time in half if not more. Memory cells create protection. But that often wears off has you escalate in life.. Hence flu jabs.