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| Quote ="RagingBull"What did he say?'"
I know I'm fuelling your fire, but this is the crux of it. That was Beaumont's response after some Leigh supporters posted on social media, accusing him of 'sticking 2 fingers up' at the Leigh fans in the north stand, because some of them booed the team off at half time. So it looks like the allegations were true.
"I shall not be in here to read the responses to this but I am going to defend my players coach and staff. To suggest they do not care and have no effort is an absolute disgrace. The people who boo please do not come if you have a season ticket and want a refund let me know by contacting the ticket office with your details and I will personally come and swap it with you for cash. You are not a supporter of our club. People need support when they are at their lowest ebb not when they are succeeding. To those who say we should buy players please tell me which supermarket I may go and buy them from and I will pop in and pick them up. You don’t see the hard work and individual detail put in by everyone. We will succeed because we stick together and keep being the best version of what we can be as that is ultimately all we can do. I know that will be enough and the real supporters of our club will do the same and those that aren’t we care not for".
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"I know I'm fuelling your fire, but this is the crux of it.
That was Beaumont's response after some Leigh supporters posted on social media, accusing him of 'sticking 2 fingers up' at the Leigh fans in the north stand, because some of them booed the team off at half time. So it looks like the allegations were true.
"I shall not be in here to read the responses to this but I am going to defend my players coach and staff. To suggest they do not care and have no effort is an absolute disgrace. The people who boo please do not come if you have a season ticket and want a refund let me know by contacting the ticket office with your details and I will personally come and swap it with you for cash. You are not a supporter of our club. People need support when they are at their lowest ebb not when they are succeeding. To those who say we should buy players please tell me which supermarket I may go and buy them from and I will pop in and pick them up. You don’t see the hard work and individual detail put in by everyone. We will succeed because we stick together and keep being the best version of what we can be as that is ultimately all we can do. I know that will be enough and the real supporters of our club will do the same and those that aren’t we care not for".'"
I kinda agree with him - but the leaving,by mutual consent,of a # Super League Ready head coach,recently,makes the statement slightly disingenuous.
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| Quote ="barham red"Add those in as well, the only possible reason I can think anyone would have gone for this was either a misplaced hope of being competitive or a belief promotion / relegation would be scrapped. The sensible move was to hold back, fund this year's squad and push for promotion. Leigh along with the others had virtually no chance of competing this year with the hand they've been dealt. This year could push leigh back 3 years in reality....
It's not just Leigh though. Several clubs apparently had a misplaced hope of being competitive..........
Do we think York, London or Bradford could have been more competitive than Leigh?? But as it stands they could all have been open to even bigger hammerings than Leigh are getting right now. Perhaps Superleague don't care as long as someone fills the gap. IIRC back around 2014 London came bottom of SL and shipped in over 1200 points across regular batterings. They didn't beat anyone other than a Leeds reserve side.
So you offer a possible reason that maybe P & R is going to be off the agenda? I suppose that fits with the possibility that Superleague will change things 2022 when the new SKY deal comes in. Some time ago I recall Lenegan & co talking about not having P & R every year, but every other year to give clubs a chance to build in Superleague, rather than the poisoned chalice of straight back down.
But nothings been said on that. The only other thought I have is the future of Salford, with their risk that they will have no ground next year? It's not a nice thought but if Salford fail does Beaumont move in on their players? Intriguing.....
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"
" People need support when they are at their lowest ebb not when they are succeeding. To those who say we should buy players please tell me which supermarket I may go and buy them from and I will pop in and pick them up. You don’t see the hard work and individual detail put in by everyone. We will succeed because we stick together and keep being the best version of what we can be as that is ultimately all we can do. I know that will be enough and the real supporters of our club will do the same".'"
The reply to fans Beaumont makes about him not being able to buy players who are not there is in a way fair enough.........
But if he is open to such questioning then the real question that should be asked of him is why, when there were no players to buy, and when it was inevitable that Leigh would struggle badly, did so many clubs grab at this chance Not just Leigh, some of whom would probably be getting even bigger hammerings than Leigh are getting now.
Half a dozen clubs clamoured for a season of slaughter in Superleague..........
Why??
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| Quote ="Donnyman"The reply to fans Beaumont makes about him not being able to buy players who are not there is in a way fair enough.........
But if he is open to such questioning then the real question that should be asked of him is why, when there were no players to buy, and when it was inevitable that Leigh would struggle badly, did so many clubs grab at this chance Not just Leigh, some of whom would probably be getting even bigger hammerings than Leigh are getting now.
Half a dozen clubs clamoured for a season of slaughter in Superleague..........
Why??'"
To show willingness. While many people thought this 'promotion' was a poisoned chalice,(with SL looking for a patsy club to relegate to protect the vested interests of the established SL teams, in reasons financial and time-based), if the clubs HADN'T gone for it then they would have been accused of not aiming for the top.
I think Leigh or Toulouse were the best-placed clubs to take this SL place; but nevertheless, they would both have been on a hiding to nothing. The timing and stipulations of the promotion made that clear.
I could see it knackering Bradford finally if we had got the nod, something which so many wise sages on here foresaw. I'm glad these soothsayers were wrong.
But I hope it doesn't knacker Leigh. We need more vibrant teams, more competition, not less. Rigging the promotion to protect the status-quo does the sport no good at all.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Accepting they were thrown in last minute on half budget with no SL players available to buy, are they the worst ever SL team?'"
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| Donnyman makes a fair point about Salford and it seems to be slipping under the radar with most posters who seem obsessed with Leighs demise.
SL in general is not in a healthy state, and for those who think it is is in cookoo land. RL in general is in dire straights and this year is more of a gap year. Whether they decide to promote and relegate this year is still up for debate hence the stupid systems they currently have in place. Even the Championship sides don't play each other home and away.
Keep plugging away Leigh. We have seen some terrible SL sides, and some have actually escaped relegation. Halifax were shocking, Bradford were Shocking, London were Shocking and Leigh were shocking in 2005 but so what ? Huddersfield ? How many sabbaticals did they have ?
Lets get some sustainability around the sport and start thinking grass roots up. The Amateur and Academy sides should be duly funded and that is the only way to substantiate the SL. After all, it is only ever a 4/5 horse race. Its boring and the sport needs a complete overhaul !
Once Leigh get their first win this season (and i really do hope they do win one this season), I will have a drink on them. Them guys put their bodies on the lines week in week out to maintain SL to be a 12 team competition. Fair play to them !
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"To show willingness. While many people thought this 'promotion' was a poisoned chalice,(with SL looking for a patsy club to relegate to protect the vested interests of the established SL teams, in reasons financial and time-based), if the clubs HADN'T gone for it then they would have been accused of not aiming for the top.
I think Leigh or Toulouse were the best-placed clubs to take this SL place; but nevertheless, they would both have been on a hiding to nothing. I could see it knackering Bradford.
But I hope it doesn't knacker Leigh. We need more vibrant teams, more competition, not less. Rigging the promotion to protect the status-quo does the sport no good at all.'"
Thanks for the reply. I can't buy "show willingness". But it's a very strong point that if Bradford had taken that place, how would they have financially managed given their finances are on a tightrope and a season of Slaughter would not have brought the fans back in enough numbers. Applying for Superleague when nowhere near ready and a willingness to be hammered every week leaves a massive question mark over what is going on? Leigh were not even offered the full money, too easily dismissed as "greed", it made massive sense for Leigh to try to win the Championship, yet Beaumont apparently decided to guarantee himself relegation instead.
You say we need "More vibrant teams" in the competition, but according to Lenegan this last two years we need LESS teams and that has been the case before the pandemic struck. memories are long when people's club make wembley, or score a shock win over a big club, but very short when it comes to the off-pitch side of the game. For two years Lenegan has been pushing for a 10 club Superleague. He pushed that to an actual vote amongst the clubs. What that would give SL clubs is a bigger share of a much smaller pot when times are hard. I know people will scoff but I remember several overhauls of league structures over many years and a drop to a 10 club superleague is a reality.
Salford's ground issue may be only part of the story as they face a very big cut in income next season they can't replace. As for the other 11 clubs who else is at risk from a major cut to funding following two seasons when income has been slaughtered?? Just because nobody is publicly crying the poor tale doesn't mean that a couple of chairmen may well not be able to make ends meet 2022.
But Derek Beaumont certainly appears to have the money and the will to take Leigh forward. I can easily see the financial crunch having to be faced in the autumn and the Superleague cutting to 10. Simply because Lenegan has tried for this a couple of times already only this time he and the big club owners have the power to make the desision.
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| Quote ="Snowy"Donnyman makes a fair point about Salford and it seems to be slipping under the radar with most posters who seem obsessed with Leighs demise.
SL in general is not in a healthy state, and for those who think it is is in cookoo land. RL in general is in dire straights and this year is more of a gap year. Whether they decide to promote and relegate this year is still up for debate hence the stupid systems they currently have in place. Even the Championship sides don't play each other home and away.
Lets get some sustainability around the sport..............'"
There's a gross assumption P & R will happen and in Cuckoo land there are those who don't think there's a financial disaster still to come as not only has income been destroyed for two years but the SKY deal has been slashed for next year. A ticking timebomb awaits.
Forget the Superleague league table it means absolutely nothing. In 2012 there were 14 clubs in it. Did it stay at 14? had it been 14 in the many decades before that? Superleague was once 16 clubs when Gateshead London and Sheffield were all in there. Did fans then scoff at the idea it may have dropped to 12??
Sale seem to have made their move when Salford are at their most vulnerable. But talking of "moves" Castleford's coach is now taking Simon Moran's gold along with his best two players. Is Ian Fulton keen to bankroll Castleford to greater levels than his father Jack? Is Lee Radford their saviour or just a failed coach that will come cheaply? I am looking at a pre-Darryl Powell table from not so long ago when Cas were bottom of the table and down to 5,000 gates. In contrast Michael Carter seems to be investing in the future.....
I can't see any sustainability at Salford, and none at Castleford but I can see leigh taking a year of beatings before sustaining their place in Superleague for one thing is for certain, the real league table is that which records the clubs in order of rich owners, and Derek Beaumont is half way up that......
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| The whole debacle should leave fans calling fo change in SuperLeague. If we are going to have P+R some mechanism needs introducing to give the promoted team a chance of survival. Obviously the problem is money. We do not have enough resources in terms of players or investment to really expand the top table but within the championship the split between the top and the bottom is huge. Personally I would like to see an expanded superleague running over a multiyear cycle, as licensing gave clubs stability, but there are just not the resources. As long as Leigh have a sugar daddy they will be a yoyo club in a league of about four contenders. I just cannot see that structure continuing to work.
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| Quote ="Levrier"The whole debacle should leave fans calling fo change in SuperLeague. If we are going to have P+R some mechanism needs introducing to give the promoted team a chance of survival. As long as Leigh have a sugar daddy they will be a yoyo club in a league of about four contenders. I just cannot see that structure continuing to work.'"
There is your mechanism. It is indeed a "sugar daddy" as it is totally obvious that the league tables tend to reflect the league of rich owners.
You say "if we are going to have P & R" so you rightly have your doubts and as I suggested we may already have seen the end of P&R....
Again, in the autumn clubs were offered a promotion place that a surprising number of club chairmen clamoured for despite the apparent sureity they would inevitably lose that place as quickly as they got it and lose a shedload of money as well.
And no, a structure of clubs yo-yoing up and down will not work. IIRC Lenegan had in the past suggested P & R only every two years. The best bet however is that P& R is already off the table unless you can find a quote from any Superleague chairmen guaranteeing Toulouse will be OK for next season in SL??
Faux French Derby anyone?
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So to answer the question from the original poster id say 100% the worst team in the history of the league.
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| Quote ="Levrier"The whole debacle should leave fans calling fo change in SuperLeague. If we are going to have P+R some mechanism needs introducing to give the promoted team a chance of survival. Obviously the problem is money. We do not have enough resources in terms of players or investment to really expand the top table but within the championship the split between the top and the bottom is huge. Personally I would like to see an expanded superleague running over a multiyear cycle, as licensing gave clubs stability, but there are just not the resources. As long as Leigh have a sugar daddy they will be a yoyo club in a league of about four contenders. I just cannot see that structure continuing to work.'"
Yep. There is no point in P&R if a prompted team always goes straight back down.
The argument for P&R was always the Britian sporting culture has always had promotion and relegation so it can't be compared to say the NRL where they dont have it.
The problem is that in sports such as football they have a 2nd division which not only generates its own huge monies but the then promoted team is guaranteed another pot of gold so actually if they choose can spend money to get the required standard of player to compete once promoted.
If football had 3 teams promoted to the epl and every year all 3 teams were losing every week it wouldnt take long before the media and fans questioned it and changes would be made to give championship clubs more of a fighting chance.
Rugby league however will just continue with this nonsense even though it clearly isn't working. The championship has no money and promotion to SL doesn't suddenly give clubs a huge jump in revenues either so from day 1 clubs are fighting behind the 8 ball and it's a huge effort to simply compete in games let alone win games.
London managed to take it to the wire but that was an anomaly rather than the norm.
Licencing had its flaws but I don't see how P&R is any better. If this is the way the game wants it then at the minimum promoted clubs need to be exempt from relegation for 2 years but the majority of SL clubs would never agree to that.
If not that maybe salary cap exemptions. If they have an owner prepared to spend his own money let them spend more than everyone else. Then again what kind of a recruitment could a promoted side do in that first year even if they had a bigger cap? Recruitment's is done the year before.
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| Quote ="RagingBull"Couldnt even get close to a Warrington reserve side.
So to answer the question from the original poster id say 100% the worst team in the history of the league.'"
It wasn't a Warrington 'reserve side' though was it ? See you lot in Super League, any time never !
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Due to the circumstances of their inclusion, they can't really be judged against past contenders.'"
Again showing why SL is a joke in the way it is run and decisions are made.
What logic lies behind giving a promoted team less money to spend on the salary cap?
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"Again showing why SL is a joke in the way it is run and decisions are made.
What logic lies behind giving a promoted team less money to spend on the salary cap?'"
Probably a few reasons.
Leighs reduced funding bridged the gap on that dodgy investment that the clubs voted against. Didn't that come to half a Million? Funny that is approx the reduced funding Leigh had. Beaumont could take the pain. I doubt the other Championship chairmen could.
SL was desperate for 12 teams and wanted a team guaranteed to fulfil that deed. Beaumont isn't daft and he ain't going to flog a dead horse. An unbalanced fixture list could potentially cost clubs huge revenue and the Magic weekend would be non existent. Again, Leigh are doing their bit.
As a Leigh fan, are my expectations too high ? Absolutely not. Even though we have not won a game, we have been competitive in some games and maybe could have sneaked 4 points, but lets be honest here, DB has learned his lesson from 2017. This season could still go Pete Tong. There are games being given in the Championship due to travel restrictions which again, cant be helped but makes a mockery of things. Games cancelled due to covid and will now cause congestion in the fixtures and there are plenty of twists and turns still to experience.
Some big decisions to make. I prefer SL to go back to 14 personally as it embraces expansion and brings in fresh blood, but I also get the 10 in Super League too. Either way, if I was an outsider looking in, if Leigh were to be relegated for the favours done alone, its harsh because Beaumont will no doubt have his cheque book out and have a proper crack at it, hopefully with 6000 mad Leigh fans cheering them on next year.
Where SL isn't visionary is the Academy. That needs looking into as we will never compete with Australia in the current format. Its going to be an interesting few weeks, but the games that Leigh could sneak points are too late in the season unfortunately.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Due to the circumstances of their inclusion, they can't really be judged against past contenders.'"
No they can't I agree, the London Broncos were the worst, they had been in established in SL for some time before their collapse in 2014.
Leigh had no off season to prepare to step up. Coming in at the last minute the team have been giving it their all.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the lads in the squad are playing for SL places for 2022, whilst Beaumont is sounding out new players for next season in SL nice and early....
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy" What logic lies behind giving a promoted team less money to spend on the salary cap?'"
To spend on who?? There was nobody to buy.
They are making up the numbers and it's important the players give it their all each week. I enjoyed the match last night, everyone loves an underdog who tries, and the only problem we could have from leigh is if players start to give up, which I doubt will happen as I reckon they will be kept in SL for next year so the players may well be playing for SL contracts......
And no championship winner will be allowed up if they didn't win it on a full season of matches. Some RL journo may just want to just confirm with Superleague whether there actually will be P & R at the end of this season.....
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"It wasn't a Warrington 'reserve side' though was it ? '"
It was some excellent top class RL players and some excellent up and coming young superstars.
I don't think there's actually a "reserves" league, so your bang on right
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| Quote ="Donnyman"To spend on who?? There was nobody to buy.
They are making up the numbers and it's important the players give it their all each week. I enjoyed the match last night, everyone loves an underdog who tries, and the only problem we could have from leigh is if players start to give up, which I doubt will happen as I reckon they will be kept in SL for next year so the players may well be playing for SL contracts......
And no championship winner will be allowed up if they didn't win it on a full season of matches. Some RL journo may just want to just confirm with Superleague whether there actually will be P & R at the end of this season.....'"
If not Leigh need to know now as clubs are buying up next years squads, if not we will have a repeat of this year.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"If not Leigh need to know now as clubs are buying up next years squads, if not we will have a repeat of this year.'"
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