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| FFS.
Myler's kicking has been crap and been one of the differences between the sides.
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| If Connor is fit to come back on, for me he need to come on in the halves in place of Myler.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"No, but still gets away with it.
Also thought the Makinson try was good, Proctor was looking for the penalty, which I don't think it was anyway because they'd been caught short on that side imo.
Apart from that though we've had enough chances in their 20 to score a few times but just haven't been clinical enough.'"
thought it was straight forward old fashioned Shepard/obstruction to me, no complaints, not sure he grounded it in field of play either.
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| As much as the kicking hasn’t been good, it’s the defensive shape and being dominated in the contact that’s been the difference.
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| Quote ="Seth"As much as the kicking hasn’t been good, it’s the defensive shape and being dominated in the contact that’s been the difference.'"
Hill responsible for two of there tries with two very poor tackle attempts, Lomax simply bottles it overtime somebody runs at him one on one. Kiwis been clinical with there chances whilst we have just been a tad unlucky.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"thought it was straight forward old fashioned Shepard/obstruction to me, no complaints, not sure he grounded it in field of play either.'"
Only got to see the grounding once I think so you may be right but think the obstruction call could have gone a different way, seemed to me that Burgess ran his line and Proctor followed him.
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| A game of 1 team taking their chances and the other team bombing their's.
They won this battle, but we won the war, and that's the main thing.
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| Macgillvray stepped again and then gets 10 for silly play. Think we’d be better removing the right side players and putting in our some card board cut outs. Only players who come out of this with any credit are those on the left side.
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| Quote ="Seth"As much as the kicking hasn’t been good, it’s the defensive shape and being dominated in the contact that’s been the difference.'"
I think the end of sets kick has been a big issue for us but like you say we haven't been as dominant in the contact, mainly down to being short on troops. Just put Sam and George in that team with Clarke, Tomkins, and Widdop and it's a different game imo. The right side especially has been targetted by NZ and done a job on us.
Even though it's been quite a tight game at times and were unlucky a few occasions not to score, this performance has been really underwhelming, even with all the players out.
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| England have shamed the country today and undermined all Bennett's good work.
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| Myler, Hodgson and McGillvray have been fairly rubbish individually but it’s our pack that’s been too soft putting the man down.
Burgess, Thompson, Bateman, Williams and Makinson the only ones putting in some effort.
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| A packed crowd, a great build up, and coming into the game with lots of momentum. So we follow that up with a powder puff performance.
Very disappointing.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Only got to see the grounding once I think so you may be right but think the obstruction call could have gone a different way, seemed to me that Burgess ran his line and Proctor followed him.'"
Batemen still ran behind him though, which he did not have to, classic shepard in any era.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"FFS.
Myler's kicking has been crap and been one of the differences between the sides.'"
Williams has done the majority of the kicking
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| Quote ="Dally"England have shamed the country today and undermined all Bennett's good work.'"
Or just had an off day in a close series against a team determined not to get whitwashed.
Poor result today but kiwis very clinical and series won.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Williams has done the majority of the kicking'"
Dont let the facts get in the way of a good scapegoat agenda.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Williams has done the majority of the kicking'"
Maybe but Williams at least put a few decent ones in whereas Myler, everyone he's attempted was poor.
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| Hodgson is a joke and Myler is never an international halfback. I don’t get the praise Bateman has received this series either. Too many offloads to the floor and runs sideways.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Dont let the facts get in the way of a good scapegoat agenda.'"
Scapegoat agenda , just an observation. What is this because he's a Leeds player you can't criticise him or something.
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| Think today showed that it was a bit premature last week to nail names to shirts for 12 months time.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Maybe but Williams at least put a few decent ones in whereas Myler, everyone he's attempted was poor.'"
Williams kicking was very poor, only saw Myler kick the ball once throughout the game tbh, with ball in hand I thought Williams played quite well, probably one of or better players.
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| Quote ="AS108"Hodgson is a joke and Myler is never an international halfback. I don’t get the praise Bateman has received this series either. Too many offloads to the floor and runs sideways.'"
hodgson puts the tackling in and at times has provided good ball but we looked so much better with Clarke at Hooker imo.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Scapegoat agenda
, just an observation. What is this because he's a Leeds player you can't criticise him or something.'"
No not at all, Myler didn’t have a good game but Williams had the majority of the kicking and I don’t recall any good kicks by any England whether it was them two or Hodgson or Lonax.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Williams kicking was very poor, only saw Myler kick the ball once throughout the game tbh, with ball in hand I thought Williams played quite well, probably one of or better players.'"
I posted it after Myler had kicked long straight into an NZ player and then that awful cross-field kick.
Agree Williams running game was pretty good tonight though and asked some questions of the NZ defense.
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| Why the hell do Johnstone and Lynne get a medal? I've played as many minutes in the series as they have
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