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| Quote ="wrencat1873"And banging on about making a profit, when you've traditionally been bank rolled by Mr Fulton give a slightly false impression.
Do you know how much the directors loans are from the Fultons or, have they all been written off.
Btw, not bitter, its been a great turnround since Powell came on board and you could be really challenging if not for some injuries.
Get back to me when you find out.'"
We haven’t been bank rolled for 3 years and obviously won’t this year with last season, what part of ‘no financial assistance’ don’t you get ??? Banging on about how we have been bank rolled in the past is about as much use as me banging on about the 367 times wakey have gone bust. I have no idea how much We owe the Fulton’s and as long as we keep making a profit it doesn’t matter does it.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"And banging on about making a profit, when you've traditionally been bank rolled by Mr Fulton give a slightly false impression.'"
No....they posted a profit. The profit bit is a fact BTW.....unlike wakefields new stadium
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| A Leigh and Catalans merger works for me
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise""The meaning and outcome of communication is in the response you get" suggests I have not explained myself.
I am not saying get rid of layers 2/3 I am saying link them to a SL club. This way we have 14 SL clubs and 14 feeder clubs not dissimilar to the NRL version. All these players that don't make the grade or are too old to make the grade anymore will have a place to play at a competitive level.
Halifax are a Championship club that everyone applauds because they have reserve grade - but if you look at their starting 17 not one has come through the academy system so why should these clubs get more funding to simply employ players developed by other SL clubs - players such as Scott Murrell, Ben Johnston, Will Maher, Simon Grix, Steve Tyrer etc. etc.
If we alienated all the fans from the Championship - which wouldn't happen as I would include Bradford, London, Toulouse and Toronto/Cumbria in the SL - how many fans are you actually going to lose - 300 at Hunslet, 500 at Keighley, 400 at Swinton etc 10-15k at the most and not all these would simply stop attending.
For me history is a anchor not a springboard for RL.'"
It's true that Fax don't have a recent history of taking academy level players through the reserves into the first team, but it's certainly something that's being addressed... [urlhttps://www.halifaxrlfc.co.uk/squads/halifax_academy[/url, and we do have one player (Will Calcott) that did come via the academy and has progressed through the reserves to play for the 1st team.
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| There are three clubs about 50 feet away from each other all competing for the same: bods on seats, sponsors and TV money.
Surely it makes perfect sense that these 3 clubs COMBINE and create a truly proper super club called CALDER UNITED RLFC and play at the new Castleford Stadium??
The 3 clubs right now are about as useful as one of these....
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| Quote ="HXSparky"It's true that Fax don't have a recent history of taking academy level players through the reserves into the first team, but it's certainly something that's being addressed... [urlhttps://www.halifaxrlfc.co.uk/squads/halifax_academy[/url, and we do have one player (Will Calcott) that did come via the academy and has progressed through the reserves to play for the 1st team.'"
Halifax will not be an isolated case - all the better sides in the Championship will be full of ex SL developed players. I ask again - should the monies go to these clubs that have consistently demonstrated an inability to develop young players either for themselves or other clubs.
What is the point in keeping clubs going that neither develop young players or who attract any kind of supporter base? Surely the monies are better spent elsewhere?
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| Quote ="Joff"There are three clubs about 50 feet away from each other all competing for the same: bods on seats, sponsors and TV money.
Surely it makes perfect sense that these 3 clubs COMBINE and create a truly proper super club called CALDER UNITED RLFC and play at the new Castleford Stadium??'"
I reckon they'd lose 25% of their core support, meaning they'd have an average of 12,000 immediately and in a 15k stadium, there's be a demand for tickets......but, the missing 3,000 fans would whine like ugly bridesmaids about 100's of years of history.......putting off any new younger fans.
Wakefield and the like are the anchor that is holding SL from actually being super.....they are in the shadow of Castleford who have shown what can be achieved by marketing themselves.
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| Young ones are as entrenched as the older ones - If the team wasn't dominated by one team then I doubt the support would ebb away to such a degree. The attendances would be hugely influenced by the success on the field - surely merging them increases that possibility.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I reckon they'd lose 25% of their core support, meaning they'd have an average of 12,000 immediately and in a 15k stadium, there's be a demand for tickets......but, the missing 3,000 fans would whine like ugly bridesmaids about 100's of years of history.......putting off any new younger fans.
Wakefield and the like are the anchor that is holding SL from actually being super.....they are in the shadow of Castleford who have shown what can be achieved by marketing themselves.'"
You need an anchor wrapped around you and thrown in the Calder.
Up the Trin
Love this Club
Love this City
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I reckon they'd lose 25% of their core support, meaning they'd have an average of 12,000 immediately and in a 15k stadium, there's be a demand for tickets.......'"
You reckon that 75% of Trinity and Rovers fans would go to Cas to watch a merged team? You’re not as bright as you think you are.
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| Tigers own their own stadium so they could throw that into the hat when trying to cobble together some money to do this "super-merger". Fev seem to be doing well at their level and could possibly put a bit into the tin. What could Wakey provide financially to go towards the merger?
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Tigers own their own stadium so they could throw that into the hat when trying to cobble together some money to do this "super-merger". Fev seem to be doing well at their level and could possibly put a bit into the tin. What could Wakey provide financially to go towards the merger?'"
Featherstone are having to ditch half their squad because they haven't got sufficient cash to fund the current squad now that they have missed out on the top 4
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Tigers own their own stadium so they could throw that into the hat when trying to cobble together some money to do this "super-merger". Fev seem to be doing well at their level and could possibly put a bit into the tin. What could Wakey provide financially to go towards the merger?'"
Why would Wakefield want to merge? Big enough City don’t need to merge. Neither club would want to merge separate City and town separate identities always was and always will be a non starter.
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"Why would Wakefield want to merge? Big enough City don’t need to merge. Neither club would want to merge separate City and town separate identities always was and always will be a non starter.
Up the Trin'"
But with you both having trouble trying for a new stadium why not get one together that why when one is away the other is at home problem solved
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"You reckon that 75% of Trinity and Rovers fans would go to Cas to watch a merged team? You’re not as bright as you think you are.'"
Where did say the stadium would be in castleford.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I reckon they'd lose 25% of their core support, meaning they'd have an average of 12,000 immediately and in a 15k stadium, there's be a demand for tickets......but, the missing 3,000 fans would whine like ugly bridesmaids about 100's of years of history.......putting off any new younger fans.
Wakefield and the like are the anchor that is holding SL from actually being super.....they are in the shadow of Castleford who have shown what can be achieved by marketing themselves.'"
What a load of absolute rubbish, you clearly dont understand the game and just why supporters follow a particular side and you cant seem to grasp that Castlefords recent success and increase in attendances stemmed, not from marketing but, from employing a very good coach in Powell, who moved them from a top 6/8 side into top 4 contenders and this coupled with a Challenge Cup Final appearance plus, GF appearance has seen their support increase by a couple of thousand.
Not rocket science, not marketing but a little bit of genuine on field success.
You claim to ba a London fan and then talk about attendances
Once again you claim that Wakefield are "like the anchor that is holding SL from being super" and yet, despite their much publicised financial difficulties and their REDUCED funding (200k) from SL (due to their poor facilities), they too have gone from being a side that regularly finished in the bottom 3, into a side that is now competing in the top half of the table and achieving far more than some of their big city rivals.
IF both Castleford and Wakefield suddenly found themselves in shiny new grounds and both had attendances over 10k, how much do you think the TV deal with Sky would increase ? Answer = 0, zero, feck all
They are getting plenty of things right both on and off the field and have a Chairman and coach who are doing incredibly well with the resources that they have and pillocks like you have the audacity to say they are holding the game back
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| Quote ="HXSparky"It's true that Fax don't have a recent history of taking academy level players through the reserves into the first team, but it's certainly something that's being addressed... [urlhttps://www.halifaxrlfc.co.uk/squads/halifax_academy[/url, and we do have one player (Will Calcott) that did come via the academy and has progressed through the reserves to play for the 1st team.'"
Say a player is binned out of a Super League academy at 19, joins Halifax reserves, then a few years later makes it into the Halifax first team.
Does it matter that he didn’t play for Halifax academy? Without Halifax reserves this player would probably be lost to the professional game.
The question shouldn’t be how many have gone academy to reserves to first team. It should only be how many have gone reserves to first team.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Say a player is binned out of a Super League academy at 19, joins Halifax reserves, then a few years later makes it into the Halifax first team.
Does it matter that he didn’t play for Halifax academy? Without Halifax reserves this player would probably be lost to the professional game.
The question shouldn’t be how many have gone academy to reserves to first team. It should only be how many have gone reserves to first team.'"
Again look at the squad and you get the same answer - clubs like Halifax don't buy young players from other clubs with a view to nuturing them through their reserve grade - they sign players who are ready to play in the first team - the fact they may have to play some games in the reserves due to recovery from injury or loss of form isn't the same as development through reserve grade.
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| Quote ="Joff"There are three clubs about 50 feet away from each other all competing for the same: bods on seats, sponsors and TV money.
Surely it makes perfect sense that these 3 clubs COMBINE and create a truly proper super club called CALDER UNITED RLFC and play at =#804080the new Castleford Stadium??
The 3 clubs right now are about as useful as one of these....
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What new stadium ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"What a load of absolute rubbish, you clearly dont understand the game and just why supporters follow a particular side and you cant seem to grasp that Castlefords recent success and increase in attendances stemmed, not from marketing but, from employing a very good coach in Powell, who moved them from a top 6/8 side into top 4 contenders and this coupled with a Challenge Cup Final appearance plus, GF appearance has seen their support increase by a couple of thousand.
Not rocket science, not marketing but a little bit of genuine on field success.
You claim to ba a London fan and then talk about attendances
Once again you claim that Wakefield are "like the anchor that is holding SL from being super" and yet, despite their much publicised financial difficulties and their REDUCED funding (200k) from SL (due to their poor facilities), they too have gone from being a side that regularly finished in the bottom 3, into a side that is now competing in the top half of the table and achieving far more than some of their big city rivals.
IF both Castleford and Wakefield suddenly found themselves in shiny new grounds and both had attendances over 10k, how much do you think the TV deal with Sky would increase ? Answer = 0, zero, feck all
They are getting plenty of things right both on and off the field and have a Chairman and coach who are doing incredibly well with the resources that they have and pillocks like you have the audacity to say they are holding the game back
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Your wasting your breath wrencat, CMG is simply a wind up merchant when it comes to Wakefield. As he's proved many times, his knowledge of the club is sp to say the least.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873" pillocks like you have the audacity to say they are holding the game back
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Gotta love a fan of a club that now gets lower gates than London used to in 2004 having a pop about getting grief for the sheer waste of money that they represent
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Gotta love a fan of a club that now gets lower gates than London used to in 2004 having a pop about getting grief for the sheer waste of money that they represent'"
Or a Rugby Union fan who loves knocking everything to do with the other code
Surely a club that despite receiving less money than all other SL clubs finishing 5th is money well spent.
The clubs wasting the money are surely those that have empty plastic seats, spending full SC and yet still cant muster a finish in the top half of the table ?
Why do you have such an obsession with attendances (which you clearly do) when the GAME is about the on field action, something that Trinity have been pretty good at in recent years.
The cold hard facts are that as you've said so many times, attendances are no longer important.
Modern sport is all about filling tv screens and quite frankly, the attendance or numbers of plastic seats has rock all to do with how many people are watching the game from the comfort of their living room or local pub and potentially being drawn in by the advertising on Sky.
Well done for citing a cherry picked season for London for having a pop at Trinity's support, it's similar to the Catalan attendance at Wembley and intimating that their appearance at Wembley wouldnt have a negative effect on the attendance or the 50,000 neutrals that would turn up anyway
Maybe you should get back to watching union and give us all a break
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Again look at the squad and you get the same answer - clubs like Halifax don't buy young players from other clubs with a view to nuturing them through their reserve grade - they sign players who are ready to play in the first team - the fact they may have to play some games in the reserves due to recovery from injury or loss of form isn't the same as development through reserve grade.'"
I don't know which squad you're looking at, but Fax have 17 players in the first team squad that have progressed through the reserve team.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Again look at the squad and you get the same answer - clubs like Halifax don't buy young players from other clubs with a view to nuturing them through their reserve grade - they sign players who are ready to play in the first team - the fact they may have to play some games in the reserves due to recovery from injury or loss of form isn't the same as development through reserve grade.'"
You are completely wrong in using Halifax as your example. Our reserves are lads that have been thrown on the scrap heap but are given a chance to develop. We have a few youngsters now that are really coming on and in the next few years can develop into 1st team players.
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| Quote ="HXSparky"I don't know which squad you're looking at, but Fax have 17 players in the first team squad that have progressed through the reserve team.'"
Really - how many first team games have they played?
If the 1-17 is the indication of the squad then your note above is without foundation. As far as I can see only Butler, Calcutt, Syme and Morgan have come through the Halifax system all the other started their careers elsewhere.
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