Sorry New Canoeman (with your three or four posts (might be ton up before this is typed)). You seem to be "muxing ip" PanDEMONium with Pantomime Dame. A pandamonium is a little known mouth organ like instrument of Chinese origin made from the drilled out teeth of an, increasingly endangered, ursine species of said region.

In your haste to create controversy hereupon, please try not to get your mucking furds woddled.

Firstly, that applies to players coming to the UK, it doesn't apply to players travelling for fixtures overseas. That's still the responsibility of the clubs.

Most PL clubs can pay the premium for the Home Offices fast track service.

And whilst the PL does have a governance and compliance department, it is there to ensure that the clubs are being compliment with eligibility rules. It doesn't do the club's work for them.

All of the above is missing the point anyway. Getting a visa to travel to Canada is not a difficult process. It is something that many employers have no issue with. It should not, therefore, be too much of an issue for what are, at the end of the day, established sporting organisations.

Getting a visa is a problem if you have any kind of criminal record though and if 2 or 3 players have had issues, they wont be able to travel.
You would expect that SL clubs will be more organised with travel/ visa's etc but, time will tell.

That's the same in any walk of life. A criminal record makes things that little bit more difficult. If that's a hassle that the clubs want to take on when they recruit players with these sorts of records, that's on them.

It's probably the reason Ryan Bailey was always "injured" when Leeds held warm weather training in Florida.

It’s ‘SATs’. There’s no apostrophe in the plural.

You’re welcome.

It’s not as simple as that quite a few people who have a criminal record see sport as giving them a second chance to get there behaviour in a better place.
If the tolerance level for criminality in Canada is a lot less than the tolerance level in the UK then it’s a lot of unfair hassle from the Toronto end of things.
We have a similar thing in reverse with the Catalans who can sign up troubled players who can’t get a work permit here in the UK.
If the Catalans have say 3 or 4 players of this type and have to play Toronto in Canada without these players I,m pretty sure they would kick up a stink within the super league framework.

In fairness, Bailey's record of attending cold weather training wasn't a whole lot better.

Bailey was on the Wolfpack roster last year and played only eight games for the club. On May 30, 2017, he refused to provide urine and blood samples for drug testing and he didn't play for Wolfpack for the rest of the 2017 season. His case wasn't resolved until January 2018, and he was canned later that month along with Dave Taylor and Fui Fui after their high jinks at training camp in Portugal.

Bailey's record all-round isn't particularly inspiring.

Only one Barrow player had visa issues on last weekend's visit. According to a Barrow player, they were short due to one visa issue, one ineligible loan player (Pownall), two with work commitments, one banned and nine injuries.

Once again, if your player has a criminal record, start the visa application early and use the professional immigration consultant.

If you have a criminal record, possibly that information is more privy to the person concerned rather than one game in Canada.

That's a good point, but as team coach I'd not be allowing players to fudge it.

Ryan Bailey and Fui Fui didn't get to Canada the first time either, but both managed to get their papers resolved by the second home game.

After Brexit, do you think that having a criminal record will be a problem for players going to France?

I was talking to club coach about the problems his team faced with the visit to Canada. One of the problems he mentioned is that players with spent convictions have to provide evidence that they are indeed spent. Apparently many have either never had or have lost the documents issued by the courts. As a result they have to go back to the courts to see if they can provide copies and this can take quite some time.

All for the sake of one game.

Here’s an idea. Why not be a Model citizen and not get a criminal record instead of blaming it on Toronto

Regards

King James

Toronto have one of the worse disciplinary records in the game, they must sort out there 'own back yard" first. Warrington showed the correct MODEL in there cup game whilst Toronto were out of control and ignored the wrath of the referee.

A "Model Citizen" is someone who obeys the law, is good to their community(s) and sets a good example for other citizens. not only citizens of a city or country.



How many RL players would genuinely fit that mould?

But it's not Toronto is it! It's the airline, presuming they won't get through immigration in Canada. As it will cost the airline in order to get them back to the UK.

No, it’s the Canadian government and their rules on entry into the country.

I don’t understand why the RFL doesn’t register all players no matter the division to apply for a Canadian visa. They don’t expire for 5 years apparently or so a Toronto fan said on Twitter and surely once you have it, it’s better than not. For one, if you play Toronto you can get across and if you don’t it makes you more of an attractive buy if you have a visa and can play against them. There would be no short term faffing then either.

Brexit won't change anything. I'd expect the UK will model it's self like Norway & Switzerland.

Russia adjusted their entry rules for the World Cup, a valid match ticket can be used instead of a Visa.

It would be far easier to change the name of Leigh to Toronto its just a sham anyway, by my last visit to there web site they have only one canadian player in the Toronto squad and quite a lot of players are ex Leigh anyway.
No problem with visas here all you need is a morrisons royalty card.

Do Toronto have any form of representatives going into schools, like clubs do over here? Do they have any form of a community department? What about amateur clubs? What about properly growing the game instead of plopping them into established divisions and giving them special dispensations?

Correct: Quinn Ngwati, who just turned 19, and who is likely to play after TWP secure the Championship.

We're not hung up on where players come from. Local examples:

Toronto Blue Jays, established 41 years ago: Regular season roster of 25 players, two Canadian.
Toronto Raptors: Regular season roster, zero Canadians.
Toronto FC: Regular season roster of 29 players, nine Canadians of whom seven are "homegrown" from TFC's own academy. It's taken TFC 13 seasons to build these homegrown players.
Toronto Maple Leafs: can't be bothered to look, for the sake of argument let's say about half of them are Canadian.

Rugby is an emerging sport here - for Wolfpack to compete at a high level, we can't do it on homegrown players. Instead of bashing the Wolfpack for not having Canadians, why not view it as a great opportunity for English, Australian, NZ, Tongan and Samoan players to raise the game among Canadians?

Wolfpack are doing a lot of outreach to a wide range of audiences - corporate, sports, kids - as they are trying to build support, sponsorship and to get local recognition to build a fan base. There have been a few visits and coaching events with schools, but the structure of this season means they only overlap the school year for one month (June), as school ends here at the end of June.

Just a few examples: They had two little kid rugby teams playing during half-time last week, it was a hoot. This Saturday, kids under 12 get in free and before the game, there is an open training session for women's rugby league.

Wolfpack also co-sponsored a day-long tag rugby event a couple of weeks ago, teams were all corporate types, looked like a lot of fun and appeals to the sort of people who might cough up some sponsorship.

In the past month, team members have been very visible around Toronto, showing up at events and generally being good ambassadors for the sport.

Growing the game is going to take time. Having a team at the top level is one way to grow interest in the sport among the youngsters coming up - it doesn't have to be either/or. Right now, Wolfpack is focused on trying to get into Super League, if they can pull that off then let's see where they go next.



Eh?