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| I don't have a problem with what might seem a relatively short ban. Assuming he has any kind of self awareness, the knowledge of how he messed up the season for Cas is a pretty big black mark to carry round. Mind you, he seemed completely lacking in that sort of understanding when he left Leeds, given how the club had stood by him through a number of incidents.
I'd also point out that his career as a high earner in RL would be about 10 years tops. Losing 10% of that through a one-year ban is a big hit financially.
If RL in England produced loads of quality players I might feel differently. Sadly we don't, and IMO the game needs those it does produce to play. Regardless, the only way he's not going top end up one of those sad examples of a sportsman throwing his career away is if he knuckles down and grows the hell up.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"His was a 'washing accident':
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....the ITF accepts that Mr Evans has met his burden of proving on the balance of probabilities how the cocaine got into his system, i.e., by inadvertent contamination of his fingers and/or the medication he was handling with cocaine residue when he went into the pocket of his washbag to take out and ingest his medication in the hours before giving the sample on 24 April 2017.[/i
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[iThe ITF's expert, Professor Martial Saugy, agreed that the analytical data are consistent with exposure to a tiny amount (1‐3 mg) of cocaine in the hours prior to provision of the sample.[/i'"
He took cocaine 4 days before the test, 2 days before the tournament started
"It's really important you know this was taken out of competition and in a context completely unrelated to tennis," said Evans, from Birmingham. 2 days before the comp he'd be training/hitting up at the tournament location, it's technically true since the comp did not start until 2 days after but it's not credible and the mickey poor excuse washed somehow
'Last April, a month after reaching a career-high ranking of 41, Britain's Dan Evans failed a drugs test at an ATP event in Barcelona. He had tak .en cocaine out of competition four days earlier.'
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"This mental health issues thing is a load of bull s in my opinion. If he was your average labourer he wouldn’t be saying he has mental health issues, it’s just because he’s a high profile player in RL that he’s been told to say it to excuse why he acts like a tool. It’s just there as an excuse for a very thick human being who is acting out his intelligence level in society.'"
Indeed. Are we now going to assume that any RL player that takes cocaine from now on needs a pat on the shoulder?
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"What advisers and witnesses Hardaker used is somewhat irrelevant - the decision-making is still nothing to do with the RFL.
The Wiganers involvement makes it abundantly clear who he's signing for though.'"
But they represented evidence as there capacity as the England RL and not Wigan, this was a double edge sword. The RFL must have agreed to the representation or did they just let the Wigan Directors do what they like.
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| Rangi Chase on Twitter last night......"Do the line, do the time"
You have to agree with him. Why the difference in bans? It was well documented that Rangi had personal issues, and his use of cocaine was also not for performance enhancement
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| Did anyone else find the case document a bit bizarre? Strange bits of speculation of subjectivity in it such as:
"There was no performance related benefit and if he had another bottle of spirits instead, he would not be before us"
I find that melodrama quite odd coming from UKAD.
When all is said and done Hardaker is a very good Super League player but has continually made poor decisions off the field despite given new chances. Personally I don't have a problem with players taking anything recreationally as I'm sure was the case here. I do however, have a problem with players who are dumb enough to get caught.
I wonder how long Wigan will give him, anything beyond a 1 year contract would be inadvisable, he'll keep his head down for 9 months then get in trouble again.
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| Quote ="TheUnassumingBadger"Did anyone else find the case document a bit bizarre? Strange bits of speculation of subjectivity in it such as:
"There was no performance related benefit and if he had another bottle of spirits instead, he would not be before us"
I find that melodrama quite odd coming from UKAD.
When all is said and done Hardaker is a very good Super League player but has continually made poor decisions off the field despite given new chances. Personally I don't have a problem with players taking anything recreationally as I'm sure was the case here. I do however, have a problem with players who are dumb enough to get caught.
I wonder how long Wigan will give him, anything beyond a 1 year contract would be inadvisable, he'll keep his head down for 9 months then get in trouble again.'"
Yes, quite bizarre!
Whilst he did play the 'mental health' issues card the tribunal appears to reduce the length of his ban not because of that but because he was rat arrissed (although they do say he knew he was taking a banned substance!!!!) and as you say, almost praise the switch from alcohol to cocaine.
One thing is it was an independent panel (Sports Resolutions) ruling on the case between UKAD and Hardaker and not a UKAD judgement. That said I'm surprised there was no appeal by UKAD as the judgement appears to offer anyone in the future testing positive for cocaine a 'get out of jail card'
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Haven't Cas already said they offered him a new (reduced) contact that he rejected?'"
I believe there is a contract offer from Cas on the table for ZH - hence the provision of a job with one of our sponsors whilst his ban expires. He has signed for Wigan though IMO. Wigan have paid his solicitors fees and helped him is his case so it all adds up.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Three clubs that insist on their players moving near to their set-up are Saints, Wigan and Warrington.'"
It's the only way they can get anyone to live in Lancashire.
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| Quote ="tigertot"It's the only way they can get anyone to live in Lancashire.'"
None of those clubs are in Lancashire.
As a side note, I'd laugh my off if he ended up signing for someone other than Wigan now.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Three clubs that insist on their players moving near to their set-up are Saints, Wigan and Warrington.
If I were a betting man I would say clubs that could potentially look to sign ZH are Toronto, Cas, Hull KR, Hull FC and Wigan.'"
St Helens certainly dont
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| Quote ="Tigerade"I believe there is a contract offer from Cas on the table for ZH - hence the provision of a job with one of our sponsors whilst his ban expires. He has signed for Wigan though IMO. Wigan have paid his solicitors fees and helped him is his case so it all adds up.'"
if that's the case then it just proves what a despicable morally bankrupt club Wigan are, hope he his knee pops out on his debut and he never plays again. despicable turds like him alwsy end up smelling of roses.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Wigan have paid his solicitors fees and helped him is his case so it all adds up.'"
Do you have proof of this?
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| Quote ="secondstanza"Do you have proof of this?'"
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"if that's the case then it just proves what a despicable morally bankrupt club Wigan are, hope he his knee pops out on his debut and he never plays again. despicable turds like him alwsy end up smelling of roses.'"
Well that's not very nice is it.
i cant believe some of the things I'm reading on here. "why is everyone throwing out the mental illness line for being an idiot?" - read the case. his mental health problems are well documented going back years, its not just been suddenly decided he has them now hes been caught with cocaine in his system. and I dont see it being used as an excuse anywhere either.
"why did he get 14 months and chase got 2 years?" if you look on the UKAD website theres a few violations with different time periods, even in rugby league. 2 years, 3 years, 7 years, 8 years. its all based on evidence and circumstance. and you can read the chase judgement, specifically where it says "Mr Chase has not sought to reduce the period of Ineligibility further on the basis of ADR Article 10.4 (No Fault or Negligence) or 10.5.2 (No Significant Fault or Negligence)" He literally said nothing in his defence. That's on him.
"Boo wigan booooooo" Chris Brookes is the most senior medical professional rugby league has to offer. makes sense his legal team would talk to him if he was wiling. as has been stated many times, it was in his capacity as england Dr too. Nothing to do with Wigan. Call me naive but i really dont think Wigan can influence an independent UKAD tribunal. If they have the power to do that then they should start winning a lot more trophies because apparently they are the illuminati and control major organisations
Honestly it annoys me that people think referees are biased towards certain players but to think the UKAD is biased towards Wigan is pretty stupid.
TL;DR - Read the case notes and all is explained. Stop looking for conspiracies that aren't there.
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| Quote ="Angelus"Well that's not very nice is it.
i cant believe some of the things I'm reading on here. "why is everyone throwing out the mental illness line for being an idiot?" - read the case. his mental health problems are well documented going back years, its not just been suddenly decided he has them now hes been caught with cocaine in his system. and I dont see it being used as an excuse anywhere either.
"why did he get 14 months and chase got 2 years?" if you look on the UKAD website theres a few violations with different time periods, even in rugby league. 2 years, 3 years, 7 years, 8 years. its all based on evidence and circumstance. and you can read the chase judgement, specifically where it says "Mr Chase has not sought to reduce the period of Ineligibility further on the basis of ADR Article 10.4 (No Fault or Negligence) or 10.5.2 (No Significant Fault or Negligence)" He literally said nothing in his defence. That's on him.
"Boo wigan booooooo" Chris Brookes is the most senior medical professional rugby league has to offer. makes sense his legal team would talk to him if he was wiling. as has been stated many times, it was in his capacity as england Dr too. Nothing to do with Wigan. Call me naive but i really dont think Wigan can influence an independent UKAD tribunal. If they have the power to do that then they should start winning a lot more trophies because apparently they are the illuminati and control major organisations
Honestly it annoys me that people think referees are biased towards certain players but to think the UKAD is biased towards Wigan is pretty stupid.
TL;DR - Read the case notes and all is explained. Stop looking for conspiracies that aren't there.'"
that would be chris brooks who in the early/mid 90's who declared about 6 Wigan players injured and not fit for a test match in France on a Saturday, then declared then miraculously fit to Play the next day for Wigan. got form for this type of thing.
If indeed Hardaker signs for Wigan then Brooks position as a witness was a conflict of interests show he should have declared this and stepped aside and let another independent Dr bare witness.
so its nothing to do with i claimed that Wigan have influence over UKAD but they failed to declare a conflict of interest there for the Witness (Brooks) should not have been used.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"if that's the case then it just proves what a despicable morally bankrupt club Wigan are, hope he his knee pops out on his debut and he never plays again. despicable turds like him alwsy end up smelling of roses.'"
There was a vey strong rumour about 4-5 weeks ago that Zak was employed as a part time employee at Wigan obviously in a non playing capacity and as a result the Wigan Directors (Brookes and Bitcon) became part of the legal team in providing evidence, so I should imagine there would be funding and a contract on the result of the outcome.
Once they officially confirm Sam Tomkins has a contract with the Catalans then Zak Hardaker logically will follow as signed, sealed and delivered. We will just have to wait and see I suppose.
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| If Morgan Escare can cement his place at Wigan why would Wigan want Zachary Hardaker?
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"that would be chris brooks who in the early/mid 90's who declared about 6 Wigan players injured and not fit for a test match in France on a Saturday, then declared then miraculously fit to Play the next day for Wigan. got form for this type of thing.
If indeed Hardaker signs for Wigan then Brooks position as a witness was a conflict of interests show he should have declared this and stepped aside and let another independent Dr bare witness.
so its nothing to do with i claimed that Wigan have influence over UKAD but they failed to declare a conflict of interest there for the Witness (Brooks) should not have been used.'"
Apologies, it wasn't all aimed at just you. i just started and couldn't stop. i do agree with what you say regarding Brooks (the second part, not the first part) i can only assume they needed someone who knew his history, and he had burned some bridges with Cas/Leeds?
Its interesting to read into, properly, from a case point of view. There's obviously reasons for the 14 month ban rather than the 24 month ban. but i dont think we will ever really know the full story as its obvious some very personal things are involved.
It's obvious he screwed up, but its also obvious he was not in the right mind when he did (you dont drink the amount he did on a night out, you do it if something is seriously, seriously wrong). hence the 14 month ban i think.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"If Morgan Escare can cement his place at Wigan why would Wigan want Zachary Hardaker?'"
They want John Bateman back in the pack so Zak will be looked at as a centre.
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| So Chris Brookes is the England RL Doctor. Why was Mark Bitcon giving evidence in the hearing as well ?
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| Quote ="Tigerade"So Chris Brookes is the England RL Doctor. Why was Mark Bitcon giving evidence in the hearing as well ?'"
To slip the jury a tenner?
or because hes part of the england setup too.
The entire 14 page document is online so I'm going to read it over properly later before i comment further. Theres evidence supplied by people other than those two as well. its not like its just wigan/england involved.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"If Morgan Escare can cement his place at Wigan why would Wigan want Zachary Hardaker?'"
Hardaker is different class. Escare at best is a decent full back. Zak is a cut above him. Like it or not.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"So Chris Brookes is the England RL Doctor. Why was Mark Bitcon giving evidence in the hearing as well ?'"
I think Mark Bitcon is the performance manager for the England RL, so it was in the capacity of the RL those 2 wigan blokes in providing substantial evidence to effect the potential 2 yr UKAD ban.
Zak also had his mummy in providing evidence as well.
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| Good luck to him. Never a chance he'd pull on a Leeds shirt again but if wigan sign him I'm fine with that. He'll have served his time and hopefully he'll prove a draw over at the DW. I hope Leeds respond with a quality signing, perhaps with less baggage. Game needs players that get folk talking IMO.
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