Is it just me that's disturbed at how uninformed Phil Clarke & Eddie are on this matter? They were both talking like they hadn't a clue about the issue at all.

Going by past history the Red Devils IF FOUND GUILTY will only be docked 4 points at most.

The only past history for this in RL is the Melbourne case. The previous breaches are not the same kind. So a fine of approx £250k plus Salford being stuck on 0 points all season would be the punishment from past history.

If they're found guilty then I don't see how the punishment can be much less than the maximum of 20 points. As I said in a previous post, 3/4's of the point deduction should be in the regular season (prior to the 8's split) and 1/4 after the 8's split.

Have you forgot Wigan ?

I'm more disturbed that they delivered an appeal for leniency live on air; apparently, it would be unfair to dock them points now they've finally managed to put a decent side together. Furthermore, why bother penalising them this year for alleged offences against the cap in previous years?

The defence rests your honour.

I thought they were done for breaking the "spirit" of the cap by paying players the next season rather than the current one?
I don't remember a case in RL other than the Melbourne one where players had 2 contracts and one set of contracts was being deliberately hidden by the club.

If found guilty, it's the deliberate nature of the fraud/cover-up that's the main issue, not really how much they're actually over the cap. That's why it needs a harsh punishment. 4 points isn't anywhere near enough for an offence of this nature.

Yep. It was very poor from Sky that. It seemed a deliberate appeal for leniency. I don't see how a 20 point deduction would make Koukash walk away. It doesn't relegate a team. They'd still be in the Middle 8's just like last year.

All this talk of just Wigan makes me smile.


Lets not forget Wakefield, Halifax, St Helens, Hull FC, Bradford and now Salford.

The Wigan case and this are totally different, Wigan bent the rules and got punished accordingly they chanced there arm and it failed,they never actually broke the cap as others have stated.

Salford delebratly paying a hidden contract to players knowingly and willingly cheating and paying over the cap it on par with Melbourne Storm.

Koukash has talked and bragged about how he is going to break the cap, if they get away with 10 point dock I,d consider them generous and lucky. But 20 point max should be enforced.

The R.F.L. just got lucky due to the Puletua case, how else could they have ever found out.

For all I know there could be a number of clubs doing the exact same thing, I bet Salford wished they had just settled out of court.

All this guff about previous indiscretions by other clubs is irrelevant, they changed the penalties a while back, didn’t they?

The R.F.L. won’t get another shot at this, so I expect a hefty point’s deduction whilst still keeping Koukash on-board.

Ten Point’s.

Well it would you smile, wouldn't it.
They didn't slightly overspend on he cap, due to not quite budgeting their attendances.
What they did was to drive a bus through the cap and deliberately and blatantly cheat, to avoid relegation.
It wasn't remotely subtle, more like a two finger gesture to the sport and the governing body

Can you spot the difference

Salford deliberately exceeded the cap with the use of additional contracts.
Wakefield, St Helens et al. accidentally exceeded the cap because of poor budgeting.
Wigan did not exceed the cap.

Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.

Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season.
Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.

I'd be willing to bet my house that there are several clubs doing the exact same thing; the difference I guess is that they a) don't have an owner who gets drunk and mouths off about it on social media and b) they don't routinely get into disputes with players, thus removing their need to be complicit.

Breaching the cap is breaching the cap. You can't be a "little bit" pregnant.

Yeah the side who finished bottom of the middle 8s last season should definitely have been promoted

everyone knows one big club who do it, and have for years. indeed keith senior mentioned it in his book.
it doesn't help that said clubs west Yorkshire based players boast about it

Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat?



Unless your on about us signing players and moving on players. In which case didn't Leigh and Bradford do the same? Did they cheat as well?

Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat?



Unless your on about us signing players and moving on players. In which case didn't Leigh and Bradford do the same? Did they cheat as well?

Yes Wigan did exceed the cap. See Yossarian's post a few pages ago with this link:

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Read that report and tell me that what Salford are accused of was worse than that
Not defending my club cos I think they've been at best utterly inept and at worst, if proven, cheated and deserve punishment. But the idea it is worse than wigans isn't right in my view
As for the others, how do you prove that it was a genuine case of poor budgeting and not a deliberate over estimation of expected income?

I did say "morally cheat".
Going an entire season in the fashion Wakefield did was morally reprehensible. Wakey keeping their place in SL was akin to that bloke dressing up as a woman to escape the Titanic.
So no taking the high ground.

You could just imagine the judge asking the the other clubs did they have s3x and thereby became pregnant and them replying yes we did but it only lasted 2 minutes, whilst Wigan lasted 3 and half hours.

You are obviously not comfortable with Wigan’s antics a few seasons ago

But, why should Leigh have been promoted, when they neither, finished in the top 3 of “The Qualifiers” or made it to the MPG.
You should point the finger at the clowns that came up with the system and the RFL for implementing it.

Also, is there any difference in Wakefield (or anyone else) signing players to try and secure their SL status or, one of the top clubs bringing in a couple of overseas players to try and secure a league title.

As mentioned in my previous post, there is a world of difference in breaking the cap by a few grand, over the course of the season, due to getting lower attendances etc. than the antics of Wigan, who blatantly and deliberately brought in a superstar (Fielden) and also paid Radlinski posthumously or, a club that makes additional payments to players from a third party company as a way of getting round salary cap restrictions.

I hope that you can see the difference or perhaps you don’t want to ?

SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club. www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/j ... ague.sport SL 2014 & 2015. Marc Green (Bradford Bulls) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Salford Red Devils. Namely the signing of Tony Puletua. The RFL ......... You see a pattern here ?

SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club. www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/j ... ague.sport SL 2014 & 2015. Marc Green (Bradford Bulls) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Salford Red Devils. Namely the signing of Tony Puletua. The RFL ......... You see a pattern here ?

Well no because in 2006 we lost 2 points for a breach in 2005.

If your point is that points deductions should happen in the same season you still would've been relegated.