I love how this thread is about the name calling that Wane made during the game, either commenting on the indication of no try which was unanimously overturned by the video refs (you could argue that it would be an indication of bias) or sexuality (which would be somewhat out of context, but don't let that get in the way of Wigan bashing). And yet, it's perfectly find to make a personal insult of "ape" when referring to Wane, shame that it's a factual point you bunch of monkeys.

Oh noes, I used the word monkey which could be taken in a racist manner. I guess that's a reflection on your prejudice and use of words rather than mine, I was thinking of phylogenetic distances.

Doesn't really work like that, does it? Just because some people don't get caught doing things they shouldn't be doing doesn't make it ok. Speed cameras would be pointless then.

I'm not saying Wane was right to say what he did I think it's totally wrong but it wasn't said directly at him, and not in an offical press conference so he shouldn't be punished and we probley won't hear nothing about it. We hear players swearing all the time.

So as long as he doesn't say anything directly at the referee, it's ok?

Let's see what happens when we get a black referee and how many people would find it ok to shout racial abuse at home from the stands "as long as it's not directly at him."

Wane's comments were a direct suggestion that the ref was bent (corrupt) for having the temerity to refer the try to the VR. Initial comments from the studio were that it was a no try; repeated showings suggested it was a try. It was a good & fair decision to refer it. It will help reinforce Wane's victim mentality.

Jesus, this thread is rapidly becoming one of the most ridiculous in a while.


Have you ever slagged off your employer in conversation? Made comments that might get you in trouble if they heard? Ever? If so you're a hypocrite.

Wane made a comment in the heat of the moment. I'm sure we've all shouted "oh just bloody give it ref!" when tries have been referred to the VR. That's all Wane was doing, expressing frustration that the ref appeared to doubt what was - to me at least, and probably most people - clearly a good try.

Whether you find the wording particularly offensive depends on just how much offence you choose to take, as is the norm these days. If you're shouting 'homophobia' give your head a wobble and then bang it against the nearest wall. Then do us all a favour and go play with the toaster in the bath, please.

Trial by the Sky Producer's finger when sat in the stands is a bit much.

I understand that, everyone does. But you've got to realise that common sense isn't really part of the world anymore, certainly not in professional sport. I don't honestly think Zac Hardaker is actually homophobic either, it was just the derogatory word of choice that came out. Wane has to realise that whilst representing Wigan RL he has to keep up with modern behavioural protocols. No use of words that can in any way be linked to race or sexuality. If he replaced 'bent' with 'daft' there would be no call for anyone to debate these things.

What has happened to RL fans?

Honestly

Super Turbo Hyperbole 24/7/365 on the VT

Absolute rubbish, for more than one reason. Firstly, there's a difference between slagging someone off and calling them "corrupt". The latter is slander.

Secondly, there's a difference between what you say in private and what you say in public. Private comments don't harm the image of the person/group you're making them against (and can be refuted).

Finally, if I have made comments like Wane in the past about my employers, it doesn't make me a hypocrit to say he shouldn't. Maybe I would have learnt from the experience after suffering the consequences. So really, just a poor poor argument.


But you or I dint represent the club in a professional capacity. Kids on the playground swear in the heat of the moment, it doesn't mean I can when I'm teaching them.


If you actually read what I put earlier in the thread, you'd see I used almost the exact same phrase! I don't think for one second he's suggesting he's homophobic. I'm suggesting he thinks he's corrupt. That's not exactly better! For a game that wants a good image and attract sponsors, you can't have coaches shouting slanderous remarks in public, even "in the heat of the moment".

If you're going to aggressively join an argument, at least make sure you know what the argument is.

It's not an RLFans thing, check social media, forums and newspaper comments the world over.
The world's gone stark raving mad.

I blame Maurice Lindsay.

I guess they don't play the Rfl respect message before games at the job?

Off with his ugly head.

And there is many definitions in the dictionary's of the word "Fag" which is what Hardaker was previously done for. However, none of them define it as an homosexual comment.

Really?

[urlhttp://www.oed.com/view/Entry/67610?rskey=3a4vJg&result=5&isAdvanced=false#eid[/url

It was all in the moment, and doesn't mean that Wane actually thinks that the ref was actually copulating, nor that he is corrupt/biased, nor illegitimate. Wane should be able to control his mouth better, and probably will in future, but really, nothing to see here. FFS.

Like I say, I have no doubt that he didn't mean it and it was in the heat of the moment. Same as Hardaker. But neither were acceptable. I don't see what reason he has to "control his mouth" if there isn't a consequence fit his actions? I'm not talking the same as Hardaker, but it definitely needs addressing otherwise it basically means you can say what you like about anyone you like from the touchline.

You can't just use "heat of the moment" as an excuse for saying things that are totally unacceptable.

The vast majority of fans are closer than Wane was, should they be policed too? Surely the same rules must apply to all equally? Maybe we should all have a Siri enabled microphone that can constantly monitor what's being said and a swear box be passed around? And then, a chip for the thought police to monitor.

I'm no lover of Wane but his phrase is just an instantaneous exclamation about a situation, if he'd 'mouthed' "That's a fooking disgusting decision", would that be contrued as something to use against him, if not how does that differ to the alledged comment he's made?
Isn't actually the problem in part down to how the broadcaster is constantly looking for moments just like this after contentious decisions, we see it all the time, some people react in different ways, the likes of Wane will vent their frustration directly in words. In that scenario it ISN'T public just because sky have covered it and it isn't directed personally as he isn't addressing anyone just making an angered exclamation.

If this is to be punished and scrutenised and from what some have written it is then we as a society are completely screwed

Thanks for demonstrating my point entirely. Man makes comment out loud but pretty obviously to himself, in a heated, emotional environment, cameras catch it purely by chance, some reactionary knee-jerkers demand punishment based on being lip and mind reading experts.

We're heading down a horribly sterile, sanitised road where everyone is forced to live by the standards of the most sensitive, delicate, permanently outraged little cherubs on social media. You included.

Actually, now I know you're a teacher it makes sense.








Or was he just exasperated at going to the VR for what was pretty clearly a good try to seal the win? Because - taken in actual context - that seems far more likely than him suddenly deciding to shout out that Bentham is 'corrupt'.

When he's representing the club and the game, man needs to keep those kind of comments to himself. You can't just say what you like because "it was the heat of the moment."


It's not about being sensitive. It's about doing what is expected of you when you represent someone. Calling referees bent in public is just not acceptable.


What's your point?


If it was an obvious try, why would he need to worry? I'm sorry, that explanation just makes no sense at all. I just don't get why the phrase "bent" would come into his mind because a referee has asked to check something. His first reaction is clearly that he thinks the ref is trying to find ways to get the try chalked off, why else the frustration? Why else would he choose that word? The fact that it popped into his head shows his mentality, and it's a mentality not needed in the game that needs stamping out.

On reflection, he won't agree with what he was thinking at the time, just like Zac Hardaker probably didn't mean to call someone the f word. But the fact that he couldn't control himself enough to stop himself saying it is the reason why there should be some form of consequence.

I think it's a more dangerous road to go down to use "the heat of the moment" as an excuse to just do what you like.

The fans so not represent the club or the game in a professional capacity, so no they should not apply equally. It's a ridiculous conclusion to draw from what I've said.

Because there's a difference between the meaning of the word "bent" and the word "disgraceful". The latter could mean that the decision to go to the VR is poor and that he should have been able to make that on the field. It questions the ref's judgement. The former suggests that going to the video ref means the ref had it in for his team. It questions the ref's motives and integrity, and that should be a big deal.


When your attending a game in a professional capacity at a stadium with 40,000 people inside broadcast on national television, you are most certainly in public.

The broadcaster pays millions for the right to broadcast the game. That money has a huge influence on how much Wane gets paid in his role. If he doesn't like that they show his face, he shouldn't be a coach.


Not really. People need to realise where he gets his money from. Too few people seem to get this point. The game gets him his money. The game gets money from sponsors and broadcast rights. That comes from having a certain image. Questioning the ref's integrity, heat of the moment or not, is not an image that they will want.

The game has moved on. The game is more professional. It gets more money because of this. If you don't want the money and want to be saying those things, coach at amateur level for free.

My point is I know a lot of teachers.



And also that you're the only one still banging on about how a coach making a comment out loud but pretty clearly to himself, and who - purely by chance - was caught on camera, should face some form of punishment. You're seeking to impose YOUR lily-livered standards on the rest of us, the majority of whom can see it was a bit naughty, but also can understand the context and brush it off as a non-issue.

Not you. You think a highly emotive outburst should be taken literally. So, you're either a ridiculously delicate little flower who is genuinely offended, or you're a knee-jerk reactionist who truly believes facebook/twitter/instagram levels of outrage belong in the real world. Social media is, for the most, a stupid beast and should be kept at arm's length.

Just because YOU think it was 'totally unacceptable', and YOU bizarrely think Wane is genuinely accusing Bentham of being 'bent', and YOU think he should face punishment, doesn't mean your standards are applicable. Not offence, but shove yer offence up yer arris.