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| Quote ="The Avenger"So, why haven't the IRB been in touch with the UAERL to put them straight.'"
Because its LOCAL spat
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"The paperwork Tha all sports need to complete to operate in the UAE. Read the article in the link I posted......the reason sport flourishes in the area is because it is ordered......the guy was well meaning but naive at best.......and still no word from Nissan.as for HIM......i have yet to read of any initial involvement from outside parties.....this is a local issue.'" What paperwork? The article makes no mention of any kind of paperwork, just the bizarre implication that Mokdad was somehow in the wrong by not seeking to affiliate himself with the governing body of a completely different sport.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"Because its LOCAL spat'" Was Hitler gassing millions of Jews a local spat?
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| Quote ="headhunter"What paperwork? The article makes no mention of any kind of paperwork, just the bizarre implication that Mokdad was somehow in the wrong by not seeking to affiliate himself with the governing body of a completely different sport.
Was Hitler gassing millions of Jews a local spat?'"
1. The article patently states that he didnt do things the way they shoud have been. Not applying to union, but apllying to the correct sports body for the right to play the sport.......as ALL sports have to.
2. Whats the fascination with the nazis? Do you feel the need to over egg the pudding all the time or just when your losing a debate?
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Because its LOCAL spat'"
Whether it's Local or not is irrelevant and you know it!
The IRB have one of their NGBs grandstanding very publicly but their stance is predicted upon a lie!
You would think that they'd act with great urgency to prevent further embarrassment.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"1. The article patently states that he didnt do things the way they shoud have been. Not applying to union, but apllying to the correct sports body for the right to play the sport.......as ALL sports have to.'"
If that were the basis upon which the UAERU have acted my question is, what's it got to do with them? Surely it's an issue for the UAEs Ministry for Sport, why have the Rugby Union Governing body felt it to be their place to act in such a draconian way. Stamping their feet and running to the authorities, having a very well meaning man arrested and incarcerated because they feel he hasn't followed the correct procedure and filed the appropriate paperwork.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"If that were the basis upon which the UAERU have acted my question is, what's it got to do with them? '"
well, aparently they believed that nissan had been misled and that is why the rl fella was nicked
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"well, aparently they believed that nissan had been misled and that is why the rl fella was nicked'"
I'll say again, what's that got to do with UAERU?
Unless Nissan have gone to the UAERU and made an accusation of misrepresentation by the RL, which patently hasn't happened, then it's nothing whatsoever to do with UAERU!
Let's turn this on its head, if the RL had complained to the authorities that the UAERU had passed themselves off as Rugby League and secured sponsorship from HSBC as a result, do you think the President of UAERU would be arrested and the RU competition forced to freeze its competitions?
The answers obvious but that (in reverse) is exactly what's happened to UAERL.
This is nothing more than the RU establishment flexing its muscles and abusing its position to stifle or eradicate RL from the country. This has probably been brought on by the news that UAE Rugby League were seriously bidding for the RLWC causing squeaky bums at UAERU and they've acted atrociously to prevent RL from getting a foothold in the country.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"well, aparently they believed that nissan had been misled and that is why the rl fella was nicked'"
They were misled because they didn't realise there are more forms of rugby than just Union?
Whose fault is that?
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| Quote ="Him"But I thought Rugby Union had no involvement whatsoever in any attempt, anywhere, ever to try and hold back Rugby League.
I thought it was only chippy northerners who don't understand the real world that thought these things ever happened.
Or at least that's id been told time and again by a few Union fans, some of whom haven't lived in this country for several years but still pretend they know exactly what goes on here.'"
You promulgating conspiracy theory again, chief?
Better late than never, I guess. But good for you!
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"1. The article patently states that he didnt do things the way they shoud have been. Not applying to union, but apllying to the correct sports body for the right to play the sport.......as ALL sports have to.
2. Whats the fascination with the nazis? Do you feel the need to over egg the pudding all the time or just when your losing a debate?'" 1. Again, what was he supposed to do that he hasn't done? He wasn't arrested for not following procedures, he was arrested because the RU body claimed that by starting a RL federation he was somehow impersonating them and infringing on their jurisdiction, which is absolutely, fundamentally wrong as RL and RU are completely different sports. There is no mention of Nissan or any kind of sponsorship in the communique and I'm not sure why you keep referring to that.
2. Because I feel like you're not very intelligent and require sensationalist comparisons to understand simple concepts. 'Local spat' or not, a man has been arrested at the behest of RU for nothing other than starting a RL federation. This is an issue that requires attention and if WorldRugby don't act then they cannot claim to have any integrity as a governing body because they're effectively endorsing these actions.
The issue here is that the UAE RU body incorrectly claimed that RL and RU were the same sport, and for whatever reason the government believed them. Outside parties need to step in and make it clear that they are completely different sports, that RU has no jurisdiction or ownership of RL and then ensure that Sol Mokdad is released from prison and allowed to go free. If this doesn't happen then this illegal situation will continue. 'Just a local spat' is one of the most bizarre and pathetic excuses for corruption I've ever heard.
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| Hopefully he will be released soon.
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| Quote ="headhunter"1. Again, what was he supposed to do that he hasn't done?'"
are you really that slow?
to run and oversee a sport....ANY sport in UAE, you need to be registered. Now, registration, generally involves paper work.......forget unions bogus claims of governance and forget the fraud case......before all of this, the correct procedures we're not adhered to........and thats why he was brought to the attention of the authorities.
Now it seems he's there illegally........outstanding governance from the rlef
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"are you really that slow?
to run and oversee a sport....ANY sport in UAE, you need to be registered. Now, registration, generally involves paper work.......forget unions bogus claims of governance and forget the fraud case......before all of this, the correct procedures we're not adhered to........and thats why he was brought to the attention of the authorities.
Now it seems he's there illegally........outstanding governance from the rlef
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Haven't seen a sidestep like that since Paul Newlove was playing
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"are you really that slow?
to run and oversee a sport....ANY sport in UAE, you need to be registered. Now, registration, generally involves paper work.......forget unions bogus claims of governance and forget the fraud case......before all of this, the correct procedures we're not adhered to........and thats why he was brought to the attention of the authorities.
Now it seems he's there illegally........outstanding governance from the rlef
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Just look at the bigger picture instead of trying to find a view which suits your agenda. Whether they are an illegal sport in the UAE or not, what has it go to do with UAERU? And before you start going on about the Nissan deal, you need to back that argument up with facts and not hearsay or conjecture.
What everyone else has done is provided an argument based on the facts of the articles and statements released about this story. What your argument is based upon is mainly guess work. Yes they should have registered the sport legally first, but the question remains. Why are the local RU getting involved and claiming the rights over a totally different sport? Its like the ECB claiming rights over UK Baseball because they both play with a bat and ball.
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| I notice the Union apologists have stayed very quiet on the issues in Italy.
I'll wait while they try and drag up some irrelevant point to try and pretend it's not actually happening.
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| Quote ="Him"I notice the Union apologists have stayed very quiet on the issues in Italy.
I'll wait while they try and drag up some irrelevant point to try and pretend it's not actually happening.'"
I've heard from a completely unreliable and totally one eyed source that the Italian issues are nothing more than just a local spat.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"are you really that slow?
to run and oversee a sport....ANY sport in UAE, you need to be registered. Now, registration, generally involves paper work.......forget unions bogus claims of governance and forget the fraud case......before all of this, the correct procedures we're not adhered to........and thats why he was brought to the attention of the authorities.
Now it seems he's there illegally........outstanding governance from the rlef
'" But he wasn't arrested for incorrect procedures or paperwork, he was arrested because the RU body falsely accused him of infringing on their territory. Whether or not he completed relevant paperwork is nothing to do with this thread. You're making this up as you go along, almost as much as the UAE RU are. Just stop for your own sake.
Quote ="Him"I notice the Union apologists have stayed very quiet on the issues in Italy.
I'll wait while they try and drag up some irrelevant point to try and pretend it's not actually happening.'" The situation in Italy is actually quite different and involves a rogue RL body trying to gain some sort of legitimacy by affiliating with the government-recognized RU federation. It's still a problem that needs to be addressed and rectified but it's an issue of governance rather than corruption and nothing to really blame RU for, they are a relatively innocent third party there. A more relevant situation would be the one in Morocco, where RL was completely banned at the request of the RU federation.
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Quote Concerning UAE, Sol Mokdad, president of the Rugby League Commission in the UAE, which is an Observer of the RLEF, was imprisoned last Wednesday following a charge filed by the Emirati rugby union federation. The RLIF appointed legal representation and is corresponding with the authorities in the UAE.'" www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/105 ... sses-range
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Quote Concerning UAE, Sol Mokdad, president of the Rugby League Commission in the UAE, which is an Observer of the RLEF, was imprisoned last Wednesday following a charge filed by the Emirati rugby union federation. The RLIF appointed legal representation and is corresponding with the authorities in the UAE.'" www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/105 ... sses-range
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| Quote ="From RLIF website"RLIF Statement regarding Rugby League in Italy
The Rugby League International Federation has today (May 6th 2015) issued the following statement concerning Italian rugby league:
"On 14 April 2015 the Italian rugby union (FIR) issued its communique 'no. 7' which indicated that an association named Lega Italia Rugby Football League (LIRFL) has been appointed to administer rugby league and rugby league 9s under the aegis of FIR.
"The RLIF categorically rejects any infringement on the sovereignty of rugby league and consequently considers FIR's action to be illegitimate. The RLIF has sole responsibility for setting rugby league's universal standards, laws, regulations and practices, which are disseminated through its regional confederations and members. In Italy the sole legitimate authority for rugby league is the Federazione Italiana Rugby League.
"FIR has no jurisdiction over rugby league and the RLIF has written to the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI), FIR and World Rugby to confirm these facts. The body known as LIRFL is a rugby union entity without legitimacy, authority or credibility in the rugby league community. '"
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| Quote ="Him".'" Yes, I'm fully aware of the situation, the LIRFL is an organization that has been around for approx. 5 years after splitting away from the officially recognized Italian RL body due to a board dispute. Ignored by the RLEF since then, they have been seeking some sort of official recognition with the Italian government to prove themselves and their latest attempt was to seek affiliation with the FIR, which indirectly makes them a government-recognized body. Obviously it's constitutionally wrong but the FIR are not the bad guys here, they didn't instigate this situation and there is no obstruction to RL, it's just a case of it needing to be cleared up to them and to the Italian government that they can't endorse a RL body and then some sort of reconciliation between the RLEF-endorsed body and the LIRFL.
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| Quote ="loiner81"I've heard from a completely unreliable and totally one eyed source that the Italian issues are nothing more than just a local spat.'"
Good lad....taking aim before shooting yourself in the foot......
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Good lad....taking aim before shooting yourself in the foot......'"
And that's your one and only response is it.
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| Quote ="loiner81"And that's your one and only response is it.
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If you'd prefer......
Quote ="headhunter"Yes, I'm fully aware of the situation, the LIRFL is an organization that has been around for approx. 5 years after splitting away from the officially recognized Italian RL body due to a board dispute. Ignored by the RLEF since then, they have been seeking some sort of official recognition with the Italian government to prove themselves and their latest attempt was to seek affiliation with the FIR, which indirectly makes them a government-recognized body. Obviously it's constitutionally wrong but the FIR are not the bad guys here, they didn't instigate this situation and there is no obstruction to RL, it's just a case of it needing to be cleared up to them and to the Italian government that they can't endorse a RL body and then some sort of reconciliation between the RLEF-endorsed body and the LIRFL.'"
...sounds like a RL v RL Italian Issue there..........no doubt the conspiracy theorists will blame Will Carling
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"If you'd prefer......
...sounds like a RL v RL Italian Issue there..........no doubt the conspiracy theorists will blame Will Carling
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