Ooh, he so can

Quote ="Huddersfield1895"Reading between the lines it wouldn't surprise me if he made a play for the Titans. www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 7215162404'" When I read these Aussie papers, when they talk about KouKash they refer to him as a billionaire, this one says he's worth $3b but last years Times rich list had him with $900m, which is about £590m. He must have made some right cash this last year in that case. cash

Quote ="Huddersfield1895"Reading between the lines it wouldn't surprise me if he made a play for the Titans. www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 7215162404'" When I read these Aussie papers, when they talk about KouKash they refer to him as a billionaire, this one says he's worth $3b but last years Times rich list had him with $900m, which is about £590m. He must have made some right cash this last year in that case. cash

He thinks that Titans aren't ever going to get decent crowds playing on the Gold Coast so they should move to Brisbane to create a Brisbane derby. He could move Salford to say, Toulouse to create a french SL derby maybe ?

I was reading a couple of weeks ago about Stevie G's move to play footy in America.

Apparently, they too have a salary cap, but are allowed to sign two marquee players who are 'off-cap', which is what Stevie G will be (and Becks was too).

I think this would be the most sensible move SL could make.

Except we now have the pretence, sorry opportunity, for championship teams to gain promotion by playing superdooperleague teams. With a massive cap difference it's already almost impossible imo, stick an additional two marquee players and you probably render the middle 8s pointless.

Or keep tinkering with the cap then do the super 8s over one weekend in Hull where championship teams get to lose by 60pts. Call it craven carnage. Make a day of it.

Prediction

If one team gets promoted this year, those who are close minded to the system will call it luck.
If any other number 0, 2,3,4 teams get promoted those same people will call it a failure or a joke.

Hedged betting at it's best.





As for being closed minded to the system, I applaud the RFL for trying something new, but repeat, if you want to make it viable, let all 24 sides spend exactly the same amount on players salaries. If Hughes had been able to (and I think Bradford would be the same) he would have spent to a full SL size cap this year.
The Middle 8 is a flawed system and will remain so regardless of if 0 or all 4 go up......until you level the playing field you are open to ridicule. It should be up to each club if they want to overstretch.....after all, the RFL have done this so they don't have to get involved in club finances, so let us spend what we want.

I basically agree with this bit, the caveat being no loans on the basis the gap being covered by equity

Problem being that there isn't enough money for it the be split 24 ways and still be a meaningful sum ... So how do the lower teams afford the extra cap space? The home grown cap cap has been brought in for the championship as well so that covers some of the gap imo.

I've been thinking about this, if a club is relegated in the "million pound match" how is it meant to shed half its playing salary in time for the new season? Even if you say okay, just leave all the players it had signed for the following season, the squad unbalance it would cause makes it exponentially harder to return, and the club would have an obligation to pay its contracts. At least with straight relegation clubs could have an inkling to whether it was a possibility and adjust accordingly ...

David Hughes has loaned London's SL side in excess of 15 million...I'd even push it as far out as 20 million in total. He'll never see a penny of that back, because the only way anyone else will ever take over the club is if it is debt free.....essentially, we are/were a tax break.

If an owner wants to bury his club in unsustainable debt, then that's their choice. Like Bradford, fans will applaud until it all comes unstuck and then whine about it.........London are where we deserve to be thanks to Hughes mismanagement, but if he wants to keep throwing money at us, then let him. Same with #MarwanK......if he wants to waste millions on SBW or Burgess in the mistaken belief that they will add thousands to the gate, then let him.
Restricting the bottom 12 from spending the same as the Top 12 makes the idea of a middle 8 comp that is fair stupid. The team that finishes 4th in the championship will lose all 7 games and ship 400 points in doing so......and believe me, ask their fans at the end if every game counts

I'd be fine with all clubs getting the same amount.

But lets be realistic. This new system is only in place as the SL clubs voted for it. If the RFL had proposed an even split of the money. Then it would never have taken off. We would still have a closed shop.

Also if clubs in the championship can spend the same as in SL, then they have to make up the difference with less TV money, less fans(generally speaking), so the only option is a gamble on some backers money. Which I assume is the reason why it was decided not to go down that road.

HOWEVER...... Should Bradford / Leigh / Toulouse whoever, start to show that this new system is building their crowds and competitiveness and that their income streams can handle bigger payments, I have no dogmatic issue with them progressing to spending the same.

For me it's all about the ability of the club (not the chairman) to spend. If it can be done within their means fine. But if it's a splurge that the chairman is funding through loans to the club, then really it's just a gamble until the chairperson is bored.

I think the new system is quite flexible in how it could quite easily over time become a divisional structure if the Championship clubs grow. Or become an elite competition if it does not work out.

Ok so we've established the longterm plan which is that the Championship clubs will get a level playing field somewhere down the line if they are pulling in 10k plus blue-chip sponsors against Hunslet. That's great. But for 2015 the advice to Leigh/Bradford/whoever is that they'll get to play teams on near twice the salary cap and hope they will inexplicably be promoted.

Clearly the championship is incredibly two-tier in nature so a one size fits all approach to the division and what it can/can’t afford will screw certain clubs. I personally don’t think Bradford for example will sustain a promotion drive for more than 2 or 3 seasons if it becomes apparent the endeavour is fruitless.

This is massively true. People are entirely focussed on a few clubs at the top of the championships.

They say things like let the championship clubs pay the same as SL clubs but Hunslet and whitehaven would be utterly destroyed by being in a league with a 1.8m cap. Even clubs like dewsbury and Batley can't get anywhere near.

There is this expectation that clubs in the championship, whilst in the championship, can afford to pay wages that have damp near killed SL clubs with tv money, higher profile and more sponsors.

The boom and bust has already started in earnest.

I take it you missed the memo.

Not to worry, I shall explain it to you.

They will play those teams and if they get more points than the other teams they will be promoted. There you go, no longer inexplicable.

I do think that some people think that a Championship team will need to beat every SL team to get promoted, but actually the mathematical likelihood is that they will only need to beat one.

But we all know in a one off match no team that spends less can beat another team. That's why sport does not exist. If there was such as thing as a sporting chance it would make a nonsense of the regular seasons were only those with more money are elevated to the top.

Actually that isn't the case.

getting more points than the other teams doesn't get you promoted. 4th will play 5th regardless.

So to get to that 'million pound game which isn't for a million pound but for promotion which gets you £1.8m, in fact the game has absolutely no link whatsoever to a million pounds' you don't need to beat any of the SL sides.

Its not unlikely that club A who wins 2 of 6 games plays club B which has won 4 of 6 including beating club A for promotion. Because its important things are decided fairly on the pitch you see.

Fair enough I stand corrected. But a Championship club could put a string of wins together to win promotion without ending up in 4th or 5th.
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A B C D E F G H
Team A X Win Loss Win Win Win Win Win 6 Wins
Team B Loss X Win Win Win Win Win Win 6 Wins
Team C Win Loss X Win Win Win Win Win 6 Wins
Team D Loss Loss Loss X Loss Loss Win Win 2 Wins
Team E Loss Loss Loss Win X Win Win Win 4 wins
Team F Loss Loss Loss Win Loss X Win Win 3 Wins
Team G Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss X Win 1 Win
Team H Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss Loss X 0 Wins


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So if teams A-D are SL teams and E-F championship teams. Then Team E (say Bradford) will be promoted only having to win against 1 SL team.

1.8 million if you go up, 800k parachute payment if you go down...there's your million quid! You're welcome.



Coulda, shoulda, woulda......won't!

fantastic branding. "the million pound game which isn't for a million pounds but roughly a million pounds between the minimum and maximum you might get". I wonder if they got Martin Sorrel on that one.

Besides, that's not even the case is it? its the team who finished top of the championships that gets £788k not the loser of" the game for an indeterminate amount of money, but money isn't the actual prize promotion is"

As far as I understand it, ANY team relegated from SL to the Championship (unless booted out for going tits up etc..) gets the parachute payment of about 800k. Sky cash for SL sides is 1.8 million next year, so that's where they got the 1 million figure from.
I agree, it's "tentative" at best and god help them if it's London at Home to Salford come the time......2,000 maximum in a game neither owner gives a damn about, given that a Million is loose change to both of them!


As it stands, Salford are in need of a win against Hull FC or they could be out of the top 8 reckoning before March......every game counts remember

Quote ="Huddersfield1895"I think this is another great idea from The Doc www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2xcdq.html'" Thursday February 14th 2015, about 12 minutes ago @drmar tweeted "I've had enough".....

Quote ="Huddersfield1895"I think this is another great idea from The Doc www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2xcdq.html'" Thursday February 14th 2015, about 12 minutes ago @drmar tweeted "I've had enough".....

He's probably had enough at the Red Devils with the amount of money he's put into the club.
My moneys on a new coach.

The Bradford chairman is a scamp:

Marc Green ‏@marcngreen 8 minutes ago - I have had enough

Marc Green ‏@marcngreen 5 minutes ago - ...of waiting for the new season to come around....can't wait....#ItAllStartsNow

Brilliant.

Comedy Gold....

Someone mentioned a parachute payment. I do not think that applies. It was only this season as the reduction in SL was a late addition. Now clubs know the score they are expected to plan for it I think by having better contracts that fit into the new structure better. I could comment about Smokeys comments but it really isn't worth it, he just posts more if you do