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I think we have all covered how difficult it is to sort out.
It seems simple as fans we have no vested interests other than the good of the game.
However a mid-season break would be objected to by SKY / SL clubs and NRL clubs.
Lancs v Yorks would create a crowd and some element of a contest, but the rest of the country would be excluded.
East v West does not really have a buy in for the fans.
Celts v England would get buy in from English fans and would create an element of contest better than Lancs v Yorks, but would the Celtic fans be able to buy into it?
England v Any Northern Hemisphere team does not attract the fans as no other Northern Hemisphere team can really compete to a feasible level. Yes we can recall the odd reasonable scoreline but playing the game over the next 4 years you can only see 4 English wins.
There has to be a chance for England to lose and the Media have to not go off the deep end if they do. For me we still treat England too much like the GB side. They get first pick on the best players so those left are too diluted to hold an impact against them.
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Why would they object to a mid season break, they'll still cover as many games as they would, the NRL would have SOO anyway which wouldn't affect tv ratings, a 6N comp either side of the world actually gives the companies more RL, BBC show our 6N on free to air and Sky show the southern 6N which any self respecting RL fan will watch
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| Quote ="Mr Churchill"The other long shot possibility would depend on the Aussies having a mid season break in club matches and playing playing the three State of Origin matches on consecutive weekends. Then Yorkshire v Lancashire could be played in Aus as curtain raisers with the winner of the three match Yorks v Lancs series playing the SOO winners.'"
Just when I thought a fan on this forum could not come up with some contrived and stupid idea this comes along. Why do RL fans try so hard to contrive crazy ideas in the vain hope it will be the miracle cure? Sorry but this is the daftest idea I have read in years on here, And if the poster needs to question why then I will spell it out so as to save some electric on his bill. The Aussies nor the Kiwis would entertain such an idea because it is downright loving stupid. |
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| Quote ="Mystic Yed"Why would they object to a mid season break, they'll still cover as many games as they would, the NRL would have SOO anyway which wouldn't affect tv ratings, a 6N comp either side of the world actually gives the companies more RL, BBC show our 6N on free to air and Sky show the southern 6N which any self respecting RL fan will watch'"
I would imagine the arguments would range from too hot to too cold, if we extended the seasons, by having a mid-season break.
Clubs moaning about key players being put under threat of injury towards the key second half of the seasons.
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I'm not saying they are good objections but I imagine there would be plenty of them.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Anyone.
International RL is the end, it isnt a means to an end.
England beating Wales, France, Fiji, Samoa, whoever is the point of England playing Wales, France, Fiji, Samoa, not as part of a learning progression to beat Australia and NZ>'"
This. An international is an international. The other code does not belittle the lower teams, instead they talk them up, page after page. This is what we need to do. Get the lesser teams playing each other more often, encourage the players to stay loyal and not have to jump ship to the Aussies or Kiwis because the lesser teams have a chance to test their arm against the top three. Then one day they won't be lesser teams. I really feel RL fans are in search of the Holy Grail ... The perfect match. It will never ever happen, although Saturday came very close.
As above, an international match is an international match. Large scores will only end once everyone is playing more often at a higher level and the talent pool spreadout. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Maybe we need to make a decision over whether we are prepared to make the sacrifices needed to build our international team. Maybe we go to them.
If Aus put in place their 3 week break for Origin then there is a three week opportunity for us to go out there. Play Fiji, Samoa and NZ.
Again, the reason for playing France is to play France, it isn’t our preparation for Australia. We need to stop treating other nations so disrespectfully.
What about the players who aren’t from either Yorkshire or Lancashire? What about those from Oxford, or Cumbria or Cheshire or Wales?'"
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Exactly. Can we just stop being such a small-minded little sport, just this once? We need big Internationals ... between countries, naturally
 ... and we need a big international club competition too - not a little end or start of season jamboree, but a competition that gets into the fibre of the sport, like the Champions League. Every ounce of effort from the UK game should be spent on making those two things happen, not on contrived rubbish to make up for our failure to put in place what the game really needs. The biggest barrier? No doubt the NRL. If they can't be a***ed, and/or can't see the value in helping the broader sport, then it's up to us to change that, and work our backsides off to make competitions that are lucrative and attractive to all. Lots of heads to bang together and lots of objections to overcome, some legitimate, some daft, some just self-serving, but that is precisely why we need excellent and dynamic leadership. Wood et al? Well, there's no denying the RLWC was much better than I (for one, but I think most) expected, but I'm still not at all convinced they're the best we can realistically get to lead the sport.'"
Brilliant comment. More of this self belief and attitude and the world is our lobster. Oh for more on here to think like this. |
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| Quote ="Mystic Yed"Yorkshire v Lancashire is as relevant as having a Saxons v Normans game'"
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| Quote ="Smew"I think a mid season game of previous years Challenge Cup winners V England (Club before country for those eligible for both) would generate the required intensity. Split proceeds 50/50, half to RFL and other half to winning squad.
This would improve the standing of the CC and give a game of the intensity required. We could also do the same with previous years GF winners if we need a second game. It would also raise the earnings of our top players too.'"
Sorry to the other post I said had a the stupidest idea yet, THIS ONE LOVING TOPS IT BY A COUNTRY MILE! Only an RL supported could come up with this nonsense. |
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Part of the problem is here is the switch to summer and the concurrent seasons in both hemispheres. When England won the RU World Cup in 2003, they were able to come back and within three months start on a 6 Nations campaign to maintain the momentum of publicity.
All of our major international events in RL now (Four Nations and World Cups) are followed by a complete three month shutdown of the sport on a professional level. All the momentum generated is lost, new fans are left with nothing else to feed their cravings other than standing at the side of a park pitch in the freezing rain watching their nearest amateur side (assuming they still play in one of the winter competitions).
Two things are required. The domestic season in the northern hemisphere needs to lose 3-4 weeks out of it. The southern hemisphere needs to be brought on board to the idea of staging major tournaments in the middle of the season instead of at the end.
Shut down both domestic competitions for 4-5 weeks in July/August each year. Give the fans an opportunity to get enthused about the national team, then take the momentum it builds into the end of the domestic seasons both here and down under.'"
Pretty spot on. Certainly the switch to summer has impacted us, but then one of the reasons. To align the seasons was to help build a world club competition ... And we managed to blow that opportunity, |
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Agreed - and this is where the sport really craves leadership.
The vision needs to be spelled out for every club in SL and the Championships as to what direction we need to head. Either we enhance the international calender, which means playing less domestic games, or we keep listening to certain clubs crying that they need 13 home games and a needless week in the play-offs to remain viable.
Personally, I think that a world-class international, played in front of 70,000 people and a huge TV audience does the game much more than two weeks of 6-7k crowds at Belle Vue and Craven Park. As a sport, we crave sponsorship and new fans - and yet Saturday showed that we keep our best product under wraps until November every year.
Of course, chairmen will care about their clubs - that is their perogative, but the game needs to start focusing on the 'greater good'. This weekend did so much more for the game than two weeks of games to work out who will have the 'honour' of getting their s handed to them in week one of the play-offs.
Fewer teams in SL, fewer games in SL, and a period of time blocked out for the international break will do so much more for the sport in this country. If that means some clubs modernising their business plan, then it's an added bonus.'"
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"In rugby league, much like football, the tail wags the dog. The club game is all, the international game - with all its opportunity to generate masses more positive publicity - is very much secondary.
Contrast with rugby union and cricket, where the national team is all and the club game bends to accommodate its will, even down to where and when its top players can play for those clubs.
The latter is a model that the rugby league needs to aspire to IMO.'"
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| Quote ="Pinkerton"No, no, no no. As someone from outside the 'heartlands' why should I care about this match? Why should players from outside there (Cumbria, London, Midlands etc.) not be allowed to play, and when you consider St Helens and Warrington aren't in Lancashire anymore, it seems a bit odd to use that term. The only way to have something like this would be East v West, but even then I doubt that would get people excited or interested.
The problem with playing France is we always play them in a half-filled tiny stadium on the M62 and it relegates the significance of the game. We should be playing them in front of 18k in Avignon or even 20k in Montpellier, in front of an intimidating atmosphere. In 2011, we only beat them 32-18 at Avignon, so there is opportunity for a decent contest. Have it on the BBC too.'"
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... and we need a big international club competition too - not a little end or start of season jamboree, but a competition that gets into the fibre of the sport, like the Champions League. Every ounce of effort from the UK game should be spent on making those two things happen, not on contrived rubbish to make up for our failure to put in place what the game really needs. The biggest barrier? No doubt the NRL. If they can't be a***ed, and/or can't see the value in helping the broader sport, then it's up to us to change that, and work our backsides off to make competitions that are lucrative and attractive to all. Lots of heads to bang together and lots of objections to overcome, some legitimate, some daft, some just self-serving, but that is precisely why we need excellent and dynamic leadership. Wood et al? Well, there's no denying the RLWC was much better than I (for one, but I think most) expected, but I'm still not at all convinced they're the best we can realistically get to lead the sport.'"
