No you didn't, you explained you produced plenty of players now playing at other clubs, you admit that only 2 of them are top class - Ellis & Westwood.
Just calm down, I specifically said I wasn't just picking out Wakey & Cas, just using them as examples of clubs who produced plenty of average players but not many top quality players. Given the England academy squad, the Elite Training Squad & the England Knights squad announced earlier this year contained only 3 Wakefield-trained players (admittedly it would include Ellis were he here, so 4) including Brough, don't you think this shows that there is an issue in taking promising youngsters and getting them up to top quality standard?

As I said, is it a problem with the academy structure? Are clubs using the options available to them like loans and DR's? Are clubs lower down the league putting lads into the first team too early? Or is it simply that they don't kick on because they're playing in a (generally) poorer first team than the lads at Leeds, Wigan or Saints?

Ah, the oracle speaks.

I haven’t read the full thread but I am sure that it is full of people wishing the England Academy squad the very best of luck on their tour Australia. I hope they do us proud

it doesnt take an oracle to understand that when one number is much bigger than another number, those numbers arent the same.

Or do you disagree with what i put? its a fairly easy verifiable fact.

y do threads turn into bitchfests good luck the acadamy team and lets hope they produce some results and some future talent REGARDLESS where they are from.

Most of it.

Lets see these verifiable facts then?

Because one or two VT warriors demand the last word and have particular clubs they want to put down, its always been the same.

Good luck to all the players and lets hope all clubs can continue to turn out quality players.

So you disagree that there are a similar amount of Leeds Academy products playing for Leeds as there are Wakefield academy products playing in SL.
There are 15 players who have come through the Leeds academy system and played first team RL for Leeds this season.
BJB, Watkins, Smith, Hall, McGuire, Burrow, Ablett, JJb, Bailey, Sinfield, McShane, Hood, Clarkson, Singleton, Ward

How many players have come through Wakefields academy system and now play first team RL in SL?

(btw, that doesnt include players like Ben Cockayne or Danny Brough who didnt make the move through academy RL to first team RL in the same way it doesnt include Richard Moore who did the same thing for Leeds)

Whilst others just want to pretend everything is alright and its not their club which is failing in youth development, its always others even though we can clearly see the numbers.

oh my god get over it some towns are smaller and have a smaller encatchment area therefore less talent pool to get their players from. other teams have more money so can swoop in with promising the earth and money. some teams have more chance of winning trophies and attract the better talent. it is not as black and white as we produce more than you or my d@%$s bigger than yours.

GROW UP AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE FFS

Interesting that Leeds are thinking of not releasing Ward yet Bateman is being allowed to go by the Bulls who i would of thought is a much more integral part of the Bulls than Ward is to Leeds. How many of the squad are on fulltime compared to Academy contracts does anybody know?

Yawn.

Im not getting suckered in with you again smokey, you are the VT terminable bore.



Seriously.

I will be disappointed if Leeds don't release Stevie Ward, they can easily cope without him and the tour could do wonders for him. Also, England will need their best players available, Australia haven't named it's squad yet but i have a fair idea who will be in it and it will be as strong as any i have seen.

I'm enjoying him these days, it's funny to see just how much of a pedant he can actually be before the universe implodes. It's all lost for him and he's the only one who can't see it - this is the only occasion when it is OK to laugh at the mentally deficient.

<< that's me laughing

The bigger picture IS youth development. Its all clubs producing lots of quality young players, not just a few

Beating the aussies is all that counts. Couldn't give a stuff who the lads back home play for.